Turbo Cirrus

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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BDS wrote:
Just read the article on the Turbo Cirrus in the latest Flying magazine.
What a beautiful aircraft - 194 kts at 12,000 feet in a fixed-gear single
at
17.5 gph fuel consumption isn't bad!

I want one!

I wonder how fast it would be if they could figure out how to get rid
of those ugly wheels that hang down in flight.

The Columbia 400 does about 10 knots more with equally ugly wheels hanging
down.

why, that's almost 12 miles a gallon! landing checklist item: "gear
down and welded."


On Jan 19, 5:10 pm, "Matt Barrow" wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in ooglegroups.com...



BDS wrote:
Just read the article on the Turbo Cirrus in the latest Flying magazine.
What a beautiful aircraft - 194 kts at 12,000 feet in a fixed-gear single
at
17.5 gph fuel consumption isn't bad!

I want one!

I wonder how fast it would be if they could figure out how to get rid
of those ugly wheels that hang down in flight.The Columbia 400 does about 10 knots more with equally ugly wheels hanging
down.

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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BDS wrote:
Just read the article on the Turbo Cirrus in the latest Flying magazine.
What a beautiful aircraft - 194 kts at 12,000 feet in a fixed-gear single
at
17.5 gph fuel consumption isn't bad!

I want one!

I wonder how fast it would be if they could figure out how to get rid
of those ugly wheels that hang down in flight.

The Columbia 400 does about 10 knots more with equally ugly wheels hanging
down.

One can only imagine how fast it would be w/o the ugly wheels.

-robert, proud Mooney owner

Robert M. Gary wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote:

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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BDS wrote:

Just read the article on the Turbo Cirrus in the latest Flying magazine.
What a beautiful aircraft - 194 kts at 12,000 feet in a fixed-gear single
at
17.5 gph fuel consumption isn't bad!

I want one!

I wonder how fast it would be if they could figure out how to get rid
of those ugly wheels that hang down in flight.

The Columbia 400 does about 10 knots more with equally ugly wheels hanging
down.


One can only imagine how fast it would be w/o the ugly wheels.

Or how short the landing roll would be. :-)

Matt

Or how much more the initial and insurance + maintenance
cost.



"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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| Robert M. Gary wrote:
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| Just read the article on the Turbo Cirrus in the
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| What a beautiful aircraft - 194 kts at 12,000 feet in
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| 17.5 gph fuel consumption isn't bad!
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| I want one!
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| I wonder how fast it would be if they could figure out
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| of those ugly wheels that hang down in flight.
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| The Columbia 400 does about 10 knots more with equally
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| One can only imagine how fast it would be w/o the ugly
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| Or how short the landing roll would be. :-)
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| Matt

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:10:59 -0700, "Matt Barrow"
wrote:


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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BDS wrote:
Just read the article on the Turbo Cirrus in the latest Flying magazine.
What a beautiful aircraft - 194 kts at 12,000 feet in a fixed-gear single
at
17.5 gph fuel consumption isn't bad!

I want one!

I wonder how fast it would be if they could figure out how to get rid
of those ugly wheels that hang down in flight.

The Columbia 400 does about 10 knots more with equally ugly wheels hanging
down.

Not really a response to Matt's post. But his post got me thinking...

We all know that specmanship plays a large role in how airplanes are
sold.

According to the Cirrus website, the SR22 Turbo does 194, 203, and
211KTAS on 17.5gph at 12k, 18k, and 25k @ ISA temps.

I was surprised at how fast those numbers are, so I went to Lancair's
site for a comparison to the Columbia 400. The Lancair POH does not
give 17.5gph exactly, it must be interpolated, yielding 187, 200,
216KTAS at the same temps/altitudes.

I find it odd that the Lancair is slower down low, but faster up high.

For further comparison the non-turbo Cirrus will do 17.5gph @ ISA @
8000 for a TAS of 175KTS. Meanwhile the non-turbo Lancair 350 will
burn 17.4gph @ ISA @ 8000ft for a TAS of 191KTS.

Seems like a lot of conflicting data points.

-Nathan

Nathan Young wrote:


Not really a response to Matt's post. But his post got me thinking...

We all know that specmanship plays a large role in how airplanes are
sold.

According to the Cirrus website, the SR22 Turbo does 194, 203, and
211KTAS on 17.5gph at 12k, 18k, and 25k @ ISA temps.

I was surprised at how fast those numbers are, so I went to Lancair's
site for a comparison to the Columbia 400. The Lancair POH does not
give 17.5gph exactly, it must be interpolated, yielding 187, 200,
216KTAS at the same temps/altitudes.

I find it odd that the Lancair is slower down low, but faster up high.

For further comparison the non-turbo Cirrus will do 17.5gph @ ISA @
8000 for a TAS of 175KTS. Meanwhile the non-turbo Lancair 350 will
burn 17.4gph @ ISA @ 8000ft for a TAS of 191KTS.



And the Bonanza guys who put normally aspirated 550's in their planes
get 190-195 kts true at 8000 at about 16 gph.

Newps,

And the Bonanza guys who put normally aspirated 550's in their planes
get 190-195 kts true at 8000 at about 16 gph.


In an antique, to boot... gd&r

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Newps" wrote in message
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Nathan Young wrote:
For further comparison the non-turbo Cirrus will do 17.5gph @ ISA @
8000 for a TAS of 175KTS. Meanwhile the non-turbo Lancair 350 will
burn 17.4gph @ ISA @ 8000ft for a TAS of 191KTS.



And the Bonanza guys who put normally aspirated 550's in their planes get
190-195 kts true at 8000 at about 16 gph.

Using what leaning techniques?

One thing I did notice is the Columbia cockpit is WIDE (49"?? IIRC)! For
those big in the shoulders, that's a big plus!

"Newps" wrote in message
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Nathan Young wrote:

For further comparison the non-turbo Cirrus will do 17.5gph @ ISA @
8000 for a TAS of 175KTS. Meanwhile the non-turbo Lancair 350 will
burn 17.4gph @ ISA @ 8000ft for a TAS of 191KTS.



And the Bonanza guys who put normally aspirated 550's in their planes get
190-195 kts true at 8000 at about 16 gph.

But they are not dragging their wheels out in the slipstream.