Glass big learning curve?

(not the same PDF/MFD but
close).


Well, not really, according to what most people write. They say the
Avidyne is easier since the 430 is extra. The G1000 is much more
integrated and thus more complex.

That said, IMHO two points are worth considering:

1. As you noted, there's a vast difference between flying VFR and hard
IFR with these things.
2. IMHO there is a big difference in how prepared pilots arrive for
learning a new aircraft or system. FBOs would probably adapt their
requirements to the lowest end of the spectrum.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Feb 15, 3:39 pm, wrote:
Our CAP unit is going to be receiving a new C-182 with a glass
cockpit.
In order to give us a taste of it a Cirrus owner came to our CAP
meeting and showed us his wonderful aircraft (not the same PDF/MFD but
close). I've heard from many sources that it takes about 10 hours to
transition. In fact a local FBO has a brand new C-182 (rents for about
$200/hr) and requires 15 hours. Although I didn't fly the Cirrus, I
sat
in the aircraft while the owner spoke with someone else. He said we
could push any buttons we wanted to. So, I tried to think of all the
things I could normally do on an IFR flight. Amazingly, I had no
problems with any of the operations. The display is easy for me
because
my generation grew up flying flight simulators that use the exact same
display. The only hard part is figuring out the 430s (which I've done
before). So, I'm wondering if all this talk about a long transition
time is mostly for the generation that didn't grow up with computers.
Just thinking about the time it takes some people (not necessarily
based on age) to get familiar with their computer vs. others, I'm
wondering if its the same thing. Perhaps I'm being naive but I felt
that I could fly behind that panel today.

Has anyone on this list had experience with such a transition?
-Sammy J.

I'm a CAP TAA Check Pilot. The G1000 is not that hard for some, for
others its more difficult. Your instructor will take you through the
FITS training program that CAP requires. It can be done in as little
as 3 hours if you are already 182 current. You will get a new form 5.
The first hour is VFR, second is IFR, third is emergency (partial
panel approaches, etc).
So far, most pilots are not able to complete the IFR piece to F5
standards, so we've been signing a lot of IFR pilots off as "VFR only"
on their Form 5's. However, most are able to come back and get the IFR
later after some time in the aircraft.
The C17 rate for our G1000 182 is $50/hr dry.

-Robert, CFII

On Feb 15, 3:39 pm, wrote:
Our CAP unit is going to be receiving a new C-182 with a glass
cockpit.
In order to give us a taste of it a Cirrus owner came to our CAP
meeting and showed us his wonderful aircraft (not the same PDF/MFD but
close). I've heard from many sources that it takes about 10 hours to
transition. In fact a local FBO has a brand new C-182 (rents for about
$200/hr) and requires 15 hours. Although I didn't fly the Cirrus, I
sat
in the aircraft while the owner spoke with someone else. He said we
could push any buttons we wanted to. So, I tried to think of all the
things I could normally do on an IFR flight. Amazingly, I had no
problems with any of the operations. The display is easy for me
because
my generation grew up flying flight simulators that use the exact same
display. The only hard part is figuring out the 430s (which I've done
before). So, I'm wondering if all this talk about a long transition
time is mostly for the generation that didn't grow up with computers.
Just thinking about the time it takes some people (not necessarily
based on age) to get familiar with their computer vs. others, I'm
wondering if its the same thing. Perhaps I'm being naive but I felt
that I could fly behind that panel today.

Has anyone on this list had experience with such a transition?
-Sammy J.

BTW: The G1000 is much nicer than the Avidine system the Cirrus uses.
The G1000 is a fully integrated system, the Avidine has no nav, so you
still have a couple 430's in the panel. The CAP G1000 is slightly
unique in that it uses two audio panels so that all 3 crew members can
transmit on different freq (com#1, com#2, mission radio).
We found a bug in ours in that every so often the system powers up in
the pilot-iso mode so your pax can't hear you. We think it may be
related to our unique dual-audio panel set up.

-Robert, CFII

Hamish Reid wrote:


I'm a relatively old geezer and I had no trouble at all with getting
signed off at our club for the G1000 C172 after about an hour's flying
for VFR (ok, the bloody fam sheet / test thing paperwork that had to be
filled out before signoff took forever, but that's just looking things
up in the POH and trying not to die of boredom while doing so...).

IFR was a bit longer, but only because you really want to be damn sure
you know at least the basics of how to reset the GPS and start again
(urgh! don't get me started...), and because, well, it's IFR and you
want to be familliar with at least the basics (partial panel is
interesting on a G1000 172). As others have commented the vertical tape
airspeed and altimeter displays can be a little unfamiliar at first, but
really, 10 hours seems an awful long time to transition even for IFR
and a 182, especially if you already have Garmin GPS 430 or 530
experience.

Hamish


A suggestion.... Flight Simulator X has aircraft with glass panels. You
don't have to buy anything. Download the Demo 2 FSX file and fire up
the Baron. I'm fairly sure the Baron is in the demo. But if not, no
problem,go to avsim.com and search for "g1000 and download the FSX
aircraft that show up. Picture below

Hamish, it would be great if you were to look at it. You would know
right away if it's worth fooling with. There's a few others here that
I'm sure can do the same, I just don't have their names handy.

Her are the panels
http://xs412.xs.to/xs412/07070/glass-g1000.jpg

--

boB
copter.six


U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas
5NM West of Gray Army/Killeen Regional (KGRK)

In article ,
boB wrote:

Hamish Reid wrote:


I'm a relatively old geezer and I had no trouble at all with getting
signed off at our club for the G1000 C172 after about an hour's flying
for VFR (ok, the bloody fam sheet / test thing paperwork that had to be
filled out before signoff took forever, but that's just looking things
up in the POH and trying not to die of boredom while doing so...).

IFR was a bit longer, but only because you really want to be damn sure
you know at least the basics of how to reset the GPS and start again
(urgh! don't get me started...), and because, well, it's IFR and you
want to be familliar with at least the basics (partial panel is
interesting on a G1000 172). As others have commented the vertical tape
airspeed and altimeter displays can be a little unfamiliar at first, but
really, 10 hours seems an awful long time to transition even for IFR
and a 182, especially if you already have Garmin GPS 430 or 530
experience.

Hamish


A suggestion.... Flight Simulator X has aircraft with glass panels. You
don't have to buy anything. Download the Demo 2 FSX file and fire up
the Baron. I'm fairly sure the Baron is in the demo. But if not, no
problem,go to avsim.com and search for "g1000 and download the FSX
aircraft that show up. Picture below

Hamish, it would be great if you were to look at it. You would know
right away if it's worth fooling with. There's a few others here that
I'm sure can do the same, I just don't have their names handy.

Her are the panels
http://xs412.xs.to/xs412/07070/glass-g1000.jpg

Looks good from here... I'll probably give it a (metaphorical) spin
sometime this week when I get the time (I'm on the verge of getting FSX
for real anyway). Looks like ASA's On Top 9 now has a G1000-like (not
sure what thay means...) simulation for the 182 too.

I sometimes find Garmin's own G1000 simulator to be pretty good for
reminding me what all the various soft keys and associated modes do, but
I didn't actually use it when getting checked out, and it's not a real
sim, of course...

Hamish