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"S. Sampson" wrote:
"ArtKramr" wrote I think they should close every golf course on every military base and use the money for greater family allowances for enlisted men. Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-) Shack! At least that's true for first term enlisted. Mid and senior NCO's are certainly reasonably compensated today. It's not a career to get rich, but most folks don't enter the military for that reason. There was a time when you couldn't be married without commander approval below the rank of E-4. That makes sense. Why would you need food stamps if you're provided clothing, live in the barracks/dorm, and have a meal card?? Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (ret) ***"When Thunder Rolled: *** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam" *** from Smithsonian Books ISBN: 1588341038 |
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Ed, suggesting enlisteds of any rank shouldn't get married without making a
similar statement about officers shows a bit of a bias. There was a time when most officers thought of enlisteds as lesser beings (witness the periodic letters to the Navy, Army and Air Force times where officers would write in suggesting exactly that) and therefore should be treated differently. An example of this was the "random" urinalysis for drug screening in the mid 70s where the only people tested were enlisted. My thoughts are no one should get married, let alone have children, unless they are financially capable. This applies to officers and enlisteds as well as any other segement of society. The solution to the problem is to pay servicemen adequately and not deny people their rights based soley on rank. I would agree a large portion of first term enlisteds need some growing up to do before marriage, but that applies also to WO 1and 2 as well as O-1,2 and 3. Please try to show a little more respect for the people who could be trusted to service your ejection seat but not to have a family. Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-) Shack! At least that's true for first term enlisted. Mid and senior NCO's are certainly reasonably compensated today. It's not a career to get rich, but most folks don't enter the military for that reason. There was a time when you couldn't be married without commander approval below the rank of E-4. That makes sense. Why would you need food stamps if you're provided clothing, live in the barracks/dorm, and have a meal card?? Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (ret) ***"When Thunder Rolled: *** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam" *** from Smithsonian Books ISBN: 1588341038 |
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"B2431" wrote in message
Ed, suggesting enlisteds of any rank shouldn't get married without making a similar statement about officers shows a bit of a bias. The equivalent sentiment once existed for officers as well, summed up as follows: "Lieutenants should not marry, Captains may marry, Majors should marry, Colonels must marry." This specific version I believe referred to the British Army, but the sentiment was not unheard in the US either. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-) Senior NCOs and junior enlisted are equally capable of messing up their marriages. I still remember one of my E-2s in Korea coming to me for advice because his wife and baby were due in a couple of days (on an unaccompanied tour!), while he was in the middle of a two-week VD restriction. And I was in the orderly room when an E-6's wife called after curfew, wanting to speak with him. Unfortunately, he was down range at his yobo's place for the night. I told her that I didn't know where he was (technically true) but that I'd have him call her. Okay, so an E-6 isn't a senior NCO. We had an E-7 retire and a month or so later came through to tell us about his new job as a courier and how he was staying with his yobo. That's the last we saw of him, but about a week later we got a letter from his wife in CONUS wanting to know where he was and why she had to move out of on-post housing. That was the first she knew about his retirement. The officers were for the most part less messy. Or at least more discreet. Sigh. |
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"Ed Rasimus" wrote
"S. Sampson" wrote: "ArtKramr" wrote I think they should close every golf course on every military base and use the money for greater family allowances for enlisted men. Enlisted men (or women) shouldn't be allowed to have a family :-) Shack! At least that's true for first term enlisted. Mid and senior NCO's are certainly reasonably compensated today. It's not a career to get rich, but most folks don't enter the military for that reason. There was a time when you couldn't be married without commander approval below the rank of E-4. That makes sense. Why would you need food stamps if you're provided clothing, live in the barracks/dorm, and have a meal card?? Careful now, you're going to **** off the tax and spend special rights lobby... |
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There has been talk here that retired military who play golf at Nellis call
the shots concerning traffic patterns.The most avid golfer at Nellis is the CO..And nobody gives a damn what the retired military thinks or wants. You figure it out. You really need to lose that over grown chip on your shoulder. The golf courses in this discussion are *off base* courses. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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Subject: Who plays golf at Nellis?
From: (BUFDRVR) Date: 7/22/03 4:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: There has been talk here that retired military who play golf at Nellis call the shots concerning traffic patterns.The most avid golfer at Nellis is the CO..And nobody gives a damn what the retired military thinks or wants. You figure it out. You really need to lose that over grown chip on your shoulder. The golf courses in this discussion are *off base* courses. BUFDRVR No chip on my shoulder. I am ex-military. I support the actions of the military whether I am on base or off base. And I don't rate golf more important under any circumstances than military operations. It is a matter of basic loyalty to the service. Got it now? Arthur Kramer Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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No chip on my shoulder. I am ex-military. I support the actions of the
military whether I am on base or off base. Very good, however, departure and arrival restrictions there prove you are in the vast minority. And I don't rate golf more important under any circumstances than military operations. Well, enough people in that area rate golf higher and have gotten enough clout behind them to force the base to implement serious "noise abatement procedures". You're better off flying out of range airspace during a FLAG exercise then busting the altitude restrictions and generating a noise complaint over the golf courses. Got it now? I always have gotten it, but do you? It appears not. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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