Nellis on the Blocks (The upcoming 2005 Base Realignment And Closure)

I recently read a report about the next round of base closures, and
was quite surprized to see NELLIS AFB on the list. In many ways I can
see it, in that it is nearly completely encroached upon by Vegas
growth and the size, being relatively small. Currently, there are
issues of security, as well, since you can walk right up to the fence
on the north end and practicaly spit on the a/c as they fly overhead.
(Not that this patriot would do such a thing of course).

Question is, should this happen, where would you move Range training
assets? Tonopah? Build new? Just wondering




C3
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"CFA3" wrote

I recently read a report about the next round of base closures, and
was quite surprized to see NELLIS AFB on the list. In many ways I can
see it, in that it is nearly completely encroached upon by Vegas
growth and the size, being relatively small. Currently, there are
issues of security, as well, since you can walk right up to the fence
on the north end and practicaly spit on the a/c as they fly overhead.
(Not that this patriot would do such a thing of course).

Question is, should this happen, where would you move Range training
assets? Tonopah? Build new? Just wondering

Nevada is in pretty bad shape. Most of the range is under attack by
conservationists and property owners. Teachers and doctors are
fleeing the state, as the first can't buy insurance, and the second can't
afford to live there. Around Nellis you have a bunch of retired people
who flock to the commissary, and then complain about the jet noise
on the golf courses. During the in-briefing you are told to abandon the
jet, rather than overfly a golf course on emergency return. Aim it for the
desert, and give it back to the taxpayers.

Nellis and the red-flag/green-flag program will have to be moved. It is
no longer a viable range do to the politics of the state.

Around Nellis you have a bunch of retired people
who flock to the commissary, and then complain about the jet noise
on the golf courses.

Love the southern departure altitude restrictions. No problem in a BUFF with a
RED FLAG fuel load (100K), but for redeployment its kind of interesting. All in
the name of a peaceful round of golf....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote

Love the southern departure altitude restrictions. No problem in a BUFF with a
RED FLAG fuel load (100K), but for redeployment its kind of interesting. All in
the name of a peaceful round of golf....

Better yet is they always clear you for the TACAN high approach even if you
identify "heavy." Go for it!

Nellis: Cleared TACAN high
Pilot: crew, cleared for the high
nav: negative
co: negative
engineer: no way, we'll be over the fricking golf course at .9 Mach...

(CFA3) wrote in message . com...
I recently read a report about the next round of base closures, and
was quite surprized to see NELLIS AFB on the list. In many ways I can
see it, in that it is nearly completely encroached upon by Vegas
growth and the size, being relatively small. Currently, there are
issues of security, as well, since you can walk right up to the fence
on the north end and practicaly spit on the a/c as they fly overhead.
(Not that this patriot would do such a thing of course).

Question is, should this happen, where would you move Range training
assets? Tonopah? Build new? Just wondering




C3

Just because a base is on the prelim list for study does not mean it
is really on-the-block. Nellis would likely be a very long shot in
terms of being selected for closure, especially since the whole idea
of BRAC is to ultimately *save* money--having to recreate current
Nellis facilities at Tonopah or elsewhere would seem to make a Nellis
closure a non-starter, especially since very few places in the region
offer the basic support infrastructure requirements that are resident
in the LV community. Imagine the water requirement alone...

Brooks

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SNIP ORIGINAL POST

Speaking of Nellis AFB and its surrounding area, I just read a post on
another NG that
states that the Red Flag exercises, which had previously been cancelled
because of
Iraq, have been re-scheduled for August 1 - 29. I have no way to confirm
that myself,
but I think it is relevant to any discussion about closing Nellis.

Richard Caldwell

That "report" wasn't "2005 Base Closure Recommendations" downloaded and
circulated from the vanity web site g2mil.com was it?

Somehow the guy that runs the site, former (not evidently retired) Marine
Carlton Meyer, has an opinion about most everything military. He wants to
put modified boneyard A-10's (folding wings, hook, launch bar ... as if it
was that simple) on Carriers. He has a lot of other ideas. A few are even
pretty good, but then even a blind squirrel ....

His BRAC recommendations are primarily based on his philosophy that same
bases are too small to be effective, some too large to be efficient, and
some are JUUUSTTT RIGHT (AKA the Goldilocks principle).

What amazes me is that, not unlike the Flight 800 conspiracy crap, the
internet has allowed this loon to achieve legitimacy. His opinion was
circulated by a senior civilian in the Navy department. Let's hope Rummy's
BRAC group (and it will be run under SecDef, not the individual service
departments) isn't so foolish as to accept this a credible.

R / John

"CFA3" wrote in message
om...
I recently read a report about the next round of base closures, and
was quite surprized to see NELLIS AFB on the list. In many ways I can
see it, in that it is nearly completely encroached upon by Vegas
growth and the size, being relatively small. Currently, there are
issues of security, as well, since you can walk right up to the fence
on the north end and practicaly spit on the a/c as they fly overhead.
(Not that this patriot would do such a thing of course).

Question is, should this happen, where would you move Range training
assets? Tonopah? Build new? Just wondering




C3
http://groomlakeaudubonsociety.netfirms.com

Subject: Nellis on the Blocks (The upcoming 2005 Base Realignment And
Closure)
From: "John Carrier"
Date: 7/19/03 4:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

That "report" wasn't "2005 Base Closure Recommendations" downloaded and
circulated from the vanity web site g2mil.com was it?

Somehow the guy that runs the site, former (not evidently retired) Marine
Carlton Meyer, has an opinion about most everything military. He wants to
put modified boneyard A-10's (folding wings, hook, launch bar ... as if it
was that simple) on Carriers. He has a lot of other ideas. A few are even
pretty good, but then even a blind squirrel ....

His BRAC recommendations are primarily based on his philosophy that same
bases are too small to be effective, some too large to be efficient, and
some are JUUUSTTT RIGHT (AKA the Goldilocks principle).

What amazes me is that, not unlike the Flight 800 conspiracy crap, the
internet has allowed this loon to achieve legitimacy. His opinion was
circulated by a senior civilian in the Navy department. Let's hope Rummy's
BRAC group (and it will be run under SecDef, not the individual service
departments) isn't so foolish as to accept this a credible.

R / John

"CFA3" wrote in message
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I recently read a report about the next round of base closures, and
was quite surprized to see NELLIS AFB on the list. In many ways I can
see it, in that it is nearly completely encroached upon by Vegas
growth and the size, being relatively small. Currently, there are
issues of security, as well, since you can walk right up to the fence
on the north end and practicaly spit on the a/c as they fly overhead.
(Not that this patriot would do such a thing of course).

Question is, should this happen, where would you move Range training
assets? Tonopah? Build new? Just wondering




C3
http://groomlakeaudubonsociety.netfirms.com




I'll be inside Nellis in about an hour. I'll ask Col.Bill if he has heard
anything.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

WHAT list? I am not aware of any official or even semi-official list being
published.
Geez, everyone connected to a military base is speculating about the next
BRAC, if it even happens. Politics and economics will be the biggest factors
in base closures; I doubt that area needs a military base for economic
survival.
Curt

"CFA3" wrote in message
om...
I recently read a report about the next round of base closures, and
was quite surprized to see NELLIS AFB on the list. In many ways I can
see it, in that it is nearly completely encroached upon by Vegas
growth and the size, being relatively small. Currently, there are
issues of security, as well, since you can walk right up to the fence
on the north end and practicaly spit on the a/c as they fly overhead.
(Not that this patriot would do such a thing of course).

Question is, should this happen, where would you move Range training
assets? Tonopah? Build new? Just wondering




C3
http://groomlakeaudubonsociety.netfirms.com

Question is, should this happen, where would you move Range training
assets? Tonopah? Build new? Just wondering

The two ranges being expanded (electronically) are Cold Lake, Alberta,
and Goose Bay, Labrador. Both offer the same as Las Vegas, with none
of the politics. The communities support the ranges.