Airplane shot down in Colombia

"PPL-A (Canada)" wrote in message ups.com...

By whose definition is this situation a WAR as you say ... some
arbitrary fiat by some politicians in the 1980s? I think calling this
kind of activity a war is insulting to the armed forces personnel that
have fought and died for real causes in the last century. The so-
called war on drugs is political posturing and always has been. To
expand on this point, the public in the last decade or two is being
increasingly deceived into a false sense of righteousness about any
disagreements that politicians might have with any group, be they
foreign or domestic, by the deceptive and devious use of the word
"war" in order to justify to the public political activity that really
bears no genuine resemblance to war whatsoever, but merely meddling in
another sovereign nation's politics, or, what is worse perhaps,
justifying ever greater intrusions into the privacy and freedoms that
we used to understand as being rights in an open and free society.


Well stated, thanks!

"Dave S" wrote in message nk.net...

What is so hard about understanding that when a bad actor dies at the hands of the military or law enforcement, its a
series of choices by the bad actor that leads to this outcome? What is so hard about putting blame where it belongs?


The rules are wrong, therefore the blame lies in the law. If there was no market there would be no 'value stream'...

The rules are wrong, therefore the blame lies in the law. If there was no market there would be no 'value stream'...

So now it's the addict's fault that our inner cities are laced with
drugs and thugs? It's the user's fault that normal people dare not
set foot into the ghettos that exist in every major city in America?
All we have to do to fix this mess is "change the law"?

That may be the most naive thing I've ever seen written here -- and
*that* is not an easy cliff to scale!

If you had any experience in the inner cities of America, you would
know that drugs are the scrourge of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE there.
The "market" you speak of exists because of a drug cartel that
produces and provides cheap drugs for easy distribution to people who
apparently have nothing left to lose.

These people then think nothing of taking everything that anyone else
has to lose, in order to maintain their drug addiction -- and the
cycle of crime continues. Stretch this cycle out 40 years, and you
have what we have today in America -- large areas in every major city
that are essentially fenced off (by police, and common sense) from
regular citizens, so that the shooting war in the inner city can't
infect the rest of us.

A quiet, sad irony of America -- far more shooting deaths occur in our
inner cities every day than occur on the battlefields of Iraq and
Afghanistan. It's a shameful situation that BOTH political parties
and the mainstream media choose to ignore.

(Well, except after Hurricane Katrina, of course, when they were
shocked -- SHOCKED -- that there was poverty and violence going on in
New Orleans!)

Now, of course, you can say that eliminating drugs wouldn't fix the
ghettos, and you might be right. People who can look at a hypodermic
needle full of unknown **** and somehow make the leap to thinking
"Hey, it sounds like *FUN* to inject that into my arm!" are probably
beyond ANYONE'S help.

Stupid is incurable.

However, eliminating drugs (and the cartel behind them) would remove
a major fuel source for much of the violence that claims so many lives
there.

And, of course, you have to look at the reciprocal of what you are
proposing. If making drugs ILLEGAL is the problem, what would making
them LEGAL do?

When I contemplate legalized drugs, I get a vision from "The Matrix",
with entire segments of our society laying around hooked up to
intravenous tubes, oblivious to everything around them. Would
providing free drugs to the inhabitants solve the violence? Even if
it did, would it be the right thing to do?

I don't know the circumstances of the shoot-down in the video, but if
that plane was packed with cocaine or heroin that was destined for my
hometown -- a beautiful city on the shores of Lake Michigan that is
fighting for its life against a growing drug-and-crime-plagued ghetto
-- and the pilot had ignored every attempt to get him to land, he
deserved his fate.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Dave S wrote:
Copy his tail number down and terminate the chase? How would you STOP
this aircraft if the pilot doesnt want to cooperate?

If, hypothetically, this had happened in U.S. airspace (but it happened in
Colombia), then the police may only use deadly force if they had "probable
cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or
serious physical injury to the officer or others."[1]

That doesn't appear to be the case in this incident. So all they _could_ do
would be to write down the tail number and any other identifying info,
alert the destination nation of the aircraft and ask them to track and
arrest the occupants.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadly_force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

"Aviv Hod" wrote in message
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Summary: US and Colombian agents shoot down a smuggling suspect:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=063_1182300981

There was a family of missionaries that was shot down a few years back in
a similar anti-drug operation. Makes me sick.

-Aviv

And people think this country is the land of the free hahahaha sorry it's
the land of the buck! 80% of our population is on some sort of drug! Almost
anything you do now is a crime and half are classified as a felony so they
can disarm civilians so our government can try control the masses even
further.

"NW_Pilot"

Almost anything you do now is a crime and half are classified as a felony
so they can disarm civilians so our government can try control the masses
even further.

****, don't make me laugh.

Counting out guns that are used for hunting only, the FELONS have 3/4ths of
the rest of the guns that are in private hands.
--
Jim in NC

Counting out guns that are used for hunting only, the FELONS have 3/4ths of
the rest of the guns that are in private hands.
Eh?!
sure would like a reference to the data that supports that idea.

(Of course statistics shows that 99.87% of statistics are made up )

"Morgans" wrote in message
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"NW_Pilot"

Almost anything you do now is a crime and half are classified as a felony
so they can disarm civilians so our government can try control the masses
even further.

****, don't make me laugh.

Counting out guns that are used for hunting only, the FELONS have 3/4ths
of the rest of the guns that are in private hands.
--
Jim in NC

Counting out guns that are used for hunting only, the FELONS have 3/4ths
of
the rest of the guns that are in private hands.
Eh?!
sure would like a reference to the data that supports that idea.

(Of course statistics shows that 99.87% of statistics are made up )

Considering that the felons with the guns are not likely to volunteer that
information for a survey, that info would be "rather" hard to get, so shall
I make up some more statistics for you? g
--
Jim in NC

"Aviv Hod" wrote in message
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Summary: US and Colombian agents shoot down a smuggling suspect:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=063_1182300981

This is shocking to me on so many levels - extrajudicial execution on tape
with Americans involved. Drug smuggling is a problem and all, but this
isn't like a police car chase where there is clear danger to bystanders.
Couldn't the authorities avoid deadly force?!? From the tape it seems
like the authorities were very concerned about the proximity of the border
but even if they would have had to let the plane get away, that is no
excuse for their trigger finger to do the police work!

Does anyone have any more context on this incident? Anyone know how
common this is? There was a family of missionaries that was shot down a
few years back in a similar anti-drug operation. Makes me sick.

-Aviv

I found myself pulling for the twin to make it. Not that I want the drugs to
get through, but I would much prefer to arrest a bunch of people, rather
than having the poor schmuck (sp?) in the left seat of the airplane be the
only one to pay a price.

If (big, big, IF in Central/South America) the local authorities on the
destination end of the flight would jump in and grab everyone at the
delivery point, that would seem to be a more just and effective treatment..
Of course, the local policia at the destination are probably getting a
payoff and might not be happy with anyone putting a hurt on their
pocketbook...

KB

If (big, big, IF in Central/South America) the local authorities on the
destination end of the flight would jump in and grab everyone at the
delivery point

The tape refers to them being "only 5 miles from the frontier" where
he'd be "home free".

I would guess that this refers to the border of a country that isn't
going to extradite the bad guys.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"