VOR approach SMO

On Jul 23, 1:18 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:
Where are you digging up such erroneous thoughts?

No, he's right. The VOR (and therefor the DME readings) are on the
*OTHER* side of the runway. So the distance from CULVE to the
threshold is pretty short, and creates a pretty wild let down from
1000 feet.

-Robert

No, the VIS is 3. It doesn't matter where the VOR is. You can be at 680 6.7
miles out. When you are 3 miles from the AIRPORT, it will be in sight.

Karl



"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 1:18 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:
Where are you digging up such erroneous thoughts?

No, he's right. The VOR (and therefor the DME readings) are on the
*OTHER* side of the runway. So the distance from CULVE to the
threshold is pretty short, and creates a pretty wild let down from
1000 feet.

-Robert

On Jul 23, 1:18 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:
Where are you digging up such erroneous thoughts?

With 800/3 you'll be way outside CULVE when you see the runway.

No, with 800 foot ceiling you will be at 1120 when at CULVE, making it
hard to see the runway through the clouds.

-Robert

Not with DME, you'll be at 680 far before CULVE.

Karl
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 1:18 pm, "karl gruber" wrote:
Where are you digging up such erroneous thoughts?

With 800/3 you'll be way outside CULVE when you see the runway.

No, with 800 foot ceiling you will be at 1120 when at CULVE, making it
hard to see the runway through the clouds.

-Robert

What you advocate is a violation of the FARs, but I guess that is the
way it is with Cessna Curators.

So, what is your minimums busting scheme when the weather is right at
minimums; i.e., 600 and 1?

karl gruber wrote:
Where are you digging up such erroneous thoughts?

With 800/3 you'll be way outside CULVE when you see the runway. That's the
difference between the pros that were landing without any fan fair and you,
without a clue.

Karl


"B" wrote in message ...

karl gruber wrote:

I see no problem with the weather 800/3 as you point out. Inside BEVEY
drive down to 680 outside CULVE, and have 3 miles to descend 505 feet.
Any jet will do that all day long.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

So, now you're past the runway and landing on the VOR shack.

It is 1.54 miles from CULVE to the beginning of the runway.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:18:29 -0700, "karl gruber"
wrote:

Where are you digging up such erroneous thoughts?

With 800/3 you'll be way outside CULVE when you see the runway. That's the
difference between the pros that were landing without any fan fair and you,
without a clue.

Karl



Karl,

You are misreading the chart.

The underlined 1120 at CULVE means that is the minimum altitude at that
location.

IF you can identify CULVE, then AFTER passing CULVE you may descend to
680', but not before.

The * next to CULVE means only that if the Tower is closed, DME is
required. The * does not change the 1120 to 680.

Also, it is not in accordance with TERPS to allow a 680' minimum altitude
at CULVE with the nearby 863' tower.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

karl gruber wrote:

I see no problem with the weather 800/3 as you point out. Inside BEVEY drive
down to 680 outside CULVE, and have 3 miles to descend 505 feet. Any jet
will do that all day long.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

1120 at CULVE. 175 feet airport elevation. Difference 945 feet.
Distance from CULVE to runway 1.54 miles.

Not with DME, or do you think that a Gulfstream wouldn't have DME??

Read the plate!

Karl


"B" wrote in message ...
karl gruber wrote:

I see no problem with the weather 800/3 as you point out. Inside BEVEY
drive down to 680 outside CULVE, and have 3 miles to descend 505 feet.
Any jet will do that all day long.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

1120 at CULVE. 175 feet airport elevation. Difference 945 feet. Distance
from CULVE to runway 1.54 miles.

I am reading the plate. Apparently, you are not.

karl gruber wrote:

Not with DME, or do you think that a Gulfstream wouldn't have DME??

Read the plate!

Karl


"B" wrote in message ...

karl gruber wrote:


I see no problem with the weather 800/3 as you point out. Inside BEVEY
drive down to 680 outside CULVE, and have 3 miles to descend 505 feet.
Any jet will do that all day long.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

1120 at CULVE. 175 feet airport elevation. Difference 945 feet. Distance
from CULVE to runway 1.54 miles.

You may be "seeing" the plate.........but certainly not comprehending it.


Karl


"B" wrote in message ...
I am reading the plate. Apparently, you are not.

karl gruber wrote:

Not with DME, or do you think that a Gulfstream wouldn't have DME??

Read the plate!

Karl


"B" wrote in message
...

karl gruber wrote:


I see no problem with the weather 800/3 as you point out. Inside BEVEY
drive down to 680 outside CULVE, and have 3 miles to descend 505 feet.
Any jet will do that all day long.

Karl
"Curator" N185KG

1120 at CULVE. 175 feet airport elevation. Difference 945 feet.
Distance from CULVE to runway 1.54 miles.