No touch and go's?

John Jones writes:

On Sep 4, 4:18 am, john wrote:
And I've seen them for overall length issues. My home airport is 2500
feet with 2-400 foot displaced thresholds so T&G would not be very safe
there.

Do you have an example of an airport that prohibits touch and go's
because of runway length issues? I know of a few 2500 foot runways in
my area that don;t have restriction, even though I agree it would be
rather risky to do a touch and go at those places...

KPAO has a 2443' runway, and I would argue that the majority of the
operations that runway sees are touch and go's...

Chris

John Jones wrote in
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On Sep 4, 4:18 am, john wrote:
And I've seen them for overall length issues. My home airport is 2500
feet with 2-400 foot displaced thresholds so T&G would not be very safe
there.

Do you have an example of an airport that prohibits touch and go's
because of runway length issues? I know of a few 2500 foot runways in
my area that don;t have restriction, even though I agree it would be
rather risky to do a touch and go at those places...


That would depend on the aircraft. A STOL aircraft would not have a
problem in 2,500' or even shorter.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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John Jones wrote:
On Sep 4, 4:18 am, john wrote:
And I've seen them for overall length issues. My home airport is 2500
feet with 2-400 foot displaced thresholds so T&G would not be very safe
there.

Do you have an example of an airport that prohibits touch and go's
because of runway length issues? I know of a few 2500 foot runways in
my area that don;t have restriction, even though I agree it would be
rather risky to do a touch and go at those places...

KANP, Annapolis,MD has the restriction. Is it all length or is it noise
or is it both, can't say for sure.

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:36:35 -0700, John Jones
wrote:

On Sep 4, 4:18 am, john wrote:
And I've seen them for overall length issues. My home airport is 2500
feet with 2-400 foot displaced thresholds so T&G would not be very safe
there.

Do you have an example of an airport that prohibits touch and go's
because of runway length issues? I know of a few 2500 foot runways in
my area that don;t have restriction, even though I agree it would be
rather risky to do a touch and go at those places...

Any respectable plae should be able to stop in a 1000 and be at least
several hundred feet from 1500...right over the neighbors who don't
like noise.

Roger

John Jones wrote:
In many airports out there, you'll find in the AFD in the comments


What exactly is meant by this?

Just what it says.

No T&G's means NO TOUCH AND GOES. G No T&G nights, means none at
night. One of my local fields allows them in one direction, but not the
other.

If in doubt, simply call the field and ask.

On Sep 4, 4:35 am, B A R R Y wrote:
John Jones wrote:
In many airports out there, you'll find in the AFD in the comments

What exactly is meant by this?

Just what it says.

No T&G's means NO TOUCH AND GOES. G No T&G nights, means none at
night. One of my local fields allows them in one direction, but not the
other.

Doesn't it seem weird that an airport would prohibit a touch and go,
but a full stop/taxi back is perfectly allowed? I'm talking about one
single touch and go, not multiple ones.


If in doubt, simply call the field and ask.

Been there, done that. After being put on hold for about 20 minutes,
I'll get some desk monkey who doesn't even know what a touch and go is.

John Jones wrote in
oups.com:

On Sep 4, 4:35 am, B A R R Y wrote:
John Jones wrote:
In many airports out there, you'll find in the AFD in the comments

What exactly is meant by this?

Just what it says.

No T&G's means NO TOUCH AND GOES. G No T&G nights, means none at
night. One of my local fields allows them in one direction, but not the
other.

Doesn't it seem weird that an airport would prohibit a touch and go,
but a full stop/taxi back is perfectly allowed? I'm talking about one
single touch and go, not multiple ones.


If in doubt, simply call the field and ask.

Been there, done that. After being put on hold for about 20 minutes,
I'll get some desk monkey who doesn't even know what a touch and go is.



Why is this weird? If it is a noise problem, a full length take off
will place the aircraft higher at the airport boundary than one starting
further down the runway. The higher you are, the less noise on the ground
below you.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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On Sep 4, 6:21 pm, Marty Shapiro
wrote:
John Jones wrote groups.com:



On Sep 4, 4:35 am, B A R R Y wrote:
John Jones wrote:
In many airports out there, you'll find in the AFD in the comments

What exactly is meant by this?

Just what it says.

No T&G's means NO TOUCH AND GOES. G No T&G nights, means none at
night. One of my local fields allows them in one direction, but not the
other.

Doesn't it seem weird that an airport would prohibit a touch and go,
but a full stop/taxi back is perfectly allowed? I'm talking about one
single touch and go, not multiple ones.

If in doubt, simply call the field and ask.

Been there, done that. After being put on hold for about 20 minutes,
I'll get some desk monkey who doesn't even know what a touch and go is.

Why is this weird? If it is a noise problem, a full length take off
will place the aircraft higher at the airport boundary than one starting
further down the runway. The higher you are, the less noise on the ground
below you.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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In my experience, a touch and go gets you airborne faster than a
takeoff from a standstill.

In a touch and go, you land on the numbers, pull up the flaps, put in
carb heat, give the trim two flicks down, put back in throttle, then
after a second or two, you're climbing. All this takes less time that
what it takes to accelerate from a stop to rotation speed. In other
planes it may take longer I guess, but not at all in a C-152. Height
above departure end is, in my opinion, negligible (especially at a
longer runway such as KSAC)

Most student pilots.. with instructors on board.. cannot "land on the
numbers" and complete the required mantra to get every thing cleaned up,
pushed forward an airborne again as you describe..

Check the runway distance marker on a normal take off
and check it again on your touch and go..

Any guesses that you might be in the same place or maybe a little farther
down the runway?

BT

In my experience, a touch and go gets you airborne faster than a
takeoff from a standstill.

In a touch and go, you land on the numbers, pull up the flaps, put in
carb heat, give the trim two flicks down, put back in throttle, then
after a second or two, you're climbing. All this takes less time that
what it takes to accelerate from a stop to rotation speed. In other
planes it may take longer I guess, but not at all in a C-152. Height
above departure end is, in my opinion, negligible (especially at a
longer runway such as KSAC)

John Jones wrote:

Doesn't it seem weird that an airport would prohibit a touch and go,
but a full stop/taxi back is perfectly allowed? I'm talking about one
single touch and go, not multiple ones.

It depends on the reason. For instance, the field I mentioned that
allows them in one direction, but not the other has close-in
obstructions and parked aircraft along the departure end of the runway.
The first T&G is no different from the rest. See the picture he

http://www.airnav.com/airport/kmmk

In the Airnav photo, you can T&G right to left, but not the other way.