ATC mutiny brewing

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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YougotitSam wrote:


Here is the FAA's new priority with your tax money. Keep in mind we have
RECORD airline delays

Neither the FAA nor the Air Force would have the authority to fix the
record airline delays. It would take the ability to put into place
procedures that the air line lobby and their bought off flaks in
congress and the executive branch would never allow.

Or automation (that would allow such procedures) that the unions have
opposed, and the funding structure that does not create a revenue stream
that allows such modernization.

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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YougotitSam wrote:


Here is the FAA's new priority with your tax money. Keep in mind we have
RECORD airline delays

Neither the FAA nor the Air Force would have the authority to fix the
record airline delays. It would take the ability to put into place
procedures that the air line lobby and their bought off flaks in
congress and the executive branch would never allow.


Or automation (that would allow such procedures) that the unions have
opposed, and the funding structure that does not create a revenue stream
that allows such modernization.


It's mostly about commuter jets and not enough runways at major airports.

Sam Spade wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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YougotitSam wrote:


Here is the FAA's new priority with your tax money. Keep in mind we
have RECORD airline delays

Neither the FAA nor the Air Force would have the authority to fix the
record airline delays. It would take the ability to put into place
procedures that the air line lobby and their bought off flaks in
congress and the executive branch would never allow.


Or automation (that would allow such procedures) that the unions have
opposed, and the funding structure that does not create a revenue
stream that allows such modernization.

It's mostly about commuter jets and not enough runways at major airports.

Atlanta recently spent BILLIONS on a 5th runway and the
delays there now are WORSE than when they had 4 runways.
Apparently it is more than just a runway problem

The facts are the FAA is out of control and is filled with
incompetent women and minorities in senior management positions.

Dance around it all day but the problem is
BAD AND INCOMPETENT FAA MANAGEMENT

PERIOD

"Michael Ash" wrote in message
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In rec.aviation.student Denny wrote:
It would a hell of a lot more pleasant than the cattle stampede they
call airline travel today...

It would be a hell of a lot more pleasant for sure, and also a hell of a
lot more expensive. Remember the term "jet set"? Remember *why* that term
was used to refer to the leisure rich?

Personally I'd rather have today's craptastic air travel than go back to
top-class service which I can't ever afford to have.

Quite.

One has to wonder how a high priced airline would fare in today's market of
Expedia and Orbitz and people shopping to knock off a few dollars off their
ticket price.

In rec.aviation.student Matt Barrow wrote:
"Michael Ash" wrote in message
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In rec.aviation.student Denny wrote:
It would a hell of a lot more pleasant than the cattle stampede they
call airline travel today...

It would be a hell of a lot more pleasant for sure, and also a hell of a
lot more expensive. Remember the term "jet set"? Remember *why* that term
was used to refer to the leisure rich?

Personally I'd rather have today's craptastic air travel than go back to
top-class service which I can't ever afford to have.

Quite.

One has to wonder how a high priced airline would fare in today's market of
Expedia and Orbitz and people shopping to knock off a few dollars off their
ticket price.

No need to wonder, just watch the smaller airlines which cut amenities to
the absolute bone totally eat the majors alive.

For people who like the amenities, just fly first class. You still get
stellar treatment (or so I'm told) and it's probably still cheaper than
flying was in this bygone era people seem to be so nostalgic for.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

Michael Ash wrote in
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For people who like the amenities, just fly first class. You still
get stellar treatment (or so I'm told) and it's probably still
cheaper than flying was in this bygone era people seem to be so
nostalgic for.

The last time I flew First Class on United Airlines the service was
significantly less than stellar. I've concluded that any class service
is a crap shoot nowadays.

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In article ,
John Godwin wrote:

Michael Ash wrote in
:

For people who like the amenities, just fly first class. You still
get stellar treatment (or so I'm told) and it's probably still
cheaper than flying was in this bygone era people seem to be so
nostalgic for.

The last time I flew First Class on United Airlines the service was
significantly less than stellar. I've concluded that any class service
is a crap shoot nowadays.

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United surely has that reputation these days.

Sad, to me anyway, as United was my first flying experience, in 1956.

I was six, and sent in the care of the cabin crew from L.A. to Portland,
OR, in a DC-7. I still remember getting to sit in the observation
section in the tail, watching the cars and houses slide astern.

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:13:15 -0500, Michael Ash
wrote:

It would be a hell of a lot more pleasant for sure, and also a hell of a
lot more expensive. Remember the term "jet set"? Remember *why* that term
was used to refer to the leisure rich?

Was? G

Personally I'd rather have today's craptastic air travel than go back to
top-class service which I can't ever afford to have.

Travel across the field to the charter terminal, or visit your local
"executive" airport. Also, research "NetJet" charters and "shared"
charters.

That's where lots of airline profits went post-9/11. No security
hassles, no waiting in long lines while the cattle deal with their own
security hassles (Why can't I carry my spear gun or taser in the
cabin?), easy parking, and a perceived lower likelyhood of somebody
messing with the airplane to start with. On a shared charter, you
might even pick the departure time.

Many of the folks you see these days in First Class didn't buy the
ticket, they exchanged FF miles, or got them through some corporate
travel come-on. The executives, athletes, celebrities, all far below
the leisure rich, are over at the private side of the airport.

Remember 20 years ago, when we'd see famous folks in the airport while
we waited to board?

Once upon a time, the full-fare coach and first class passengers paid
lots of costs, and the super-saver fare was profit in empty seats. Not
to mention an enormous amount of mail, banking documents, and express
freight. Most of which now either moves by FedEx or UPS, or not at
all, as it's gone electronic.

In rec.aviation.student John Godwin wrote:
Michael Ash wrote in
:

For people who like the amenities, just fly first class. You still
get stellar treatment (or so I'm told) and it's probably still
cheaper than flying was in this bygone era people seem to be so
nostalgic for.

The last time I flew First Class on United Airlines the service was
significantly less than stellar. I've concluded that any class service
is a crap shoot nowadays.

Domestic or international? I couldn't say I'm too surprised to hear that
about a domestic flight, although I thought they'd do better.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

In rec.aviation.student B A R R Y wrote:
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 16:13:15 -0500, Michael Ash
wrote:

It would be a hell of a lot more pleasant for sure, and also a hell of a
lot more expensive. Remember the term "jet set"? Remember *why* that term
was used to refer to the leisure rich?

Was? G

It's just not used much at all anymore. To the extent that it is used, it
still means that.

Personally I'd rather have today's craptastic air travel than go back to
top-class service which I can't ever afford to have.

Travel across the field to the charter terminal, or visit your local
"executive" airport. Also, research "NetJet" charters and "shared"
charters.
[snip]

You're right that the "bygone" service still exists if you can find it and
afford it. Which is pretty much my point. The people whining and
complaining that airline service isn't what it used to be are ignoring the
fact that if they pay what airline service used to cost they can get the
kind of service they want too. People just want something for nothing,
top-class service with $80 bargain-basement roundtrip tickets, which
obviously just isn't going to happen.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software