U.S. WWII fighter plane found on coast of Wales

On Nov 15, 7:36 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"BT" wrote :

mm... all that time in the water does not sound like "surviving"=

Depends on the defintion applied of course. I wouldn't say they'll get it
flying, somehow.

Bertie

Ummm yup, another pile of corroded aluminum that will be 100% replaced
by hand made new parts at a cost of 2.5x 10e6, then declared to be a
'restoration' and worshipped by the EAA... yawn

As far as the warning about 'hi-octane fuel', not to worry... It is
not possible to over estimate the stupidity of the public...


denny

Denny wrote in
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On Nov 15, 7:36 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"BT" wrote
:

mm... all that time in the water does not sound like "surviving"=

Depends on the defintion applied of course. I wouldn't say they'll
get it flying, somehow.

Bertie

Ummm yup, another pile of corroded aluminum that will be 100% replaced
by hand made new parts at a cost of 2.5x 10e6, then declared to be a
'restoration' and worshipped by the EAA... yawn


Kinda doubt it. It has to be too far gone for that. That one from Greenland
was one of about half a dozen and they chose to do just one of them.

As far as the warning about 'hi-octane fuel', not to worry... It is
not possible to over estimate the stupidity of the public...



True.


Bertie

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:15:37 -0800 (PST), Denny wrote in
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On Nov 15, 7:36 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"BT" wrote :

mm... all that time in the water does not sound like "surviving"=

Depends on the defintion applied of course. I wouldn't say they'll get it
flying, somehow.

Ummm yup, another pile of corroded aluminum that will be 100% replaced
by hand made new parts at a cost of 2.5x 10e6, then declared to be a
'restoration' and worshipped by the EAA... yawn

I'm a dues-paying member of TIGHAR, so you may take what I say with
a grain of salt. Ric Gillespie and the organization are definitely
against "restoring" the plane to mint condition. The goal, I think,
is to recover the plane and preserve it as an archeological artifact:

http://tighar.org/

Marty (TIGHAR #2359)

"Denny" wrote in message news:1e026754-a05a-45c8-b53e-

Ummm yup, another pile of corroded aluminum that will be 100% replaced
by hand made new parts at a cost of 2.5x 10e6, then declared to be a
'restoration' and worshipped by the EAA... yawn

It's a P-38. If it's restored to -any- condition I'd have a hard time
yawning about it.

( This photo was taken while filming a P-38 documentary with Jeff Ethell. I
can't say for certain, but I'm nearly positive this is the photo he snapped
with my old 35mm. http://www.damnnearwiley.com/p38.jpg)

-c

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Denny" wrote in message
news:1e026754-a05a-45c8-b53e-

Ummm yup, another pile of corroded aluminum that will be 100%
replaced by hand made new parts at a cost of 2.5x 10e6, then declared
to be a 'restoration' and worshipped by the EAA... yawn

It's a P-38. If it's restored to -any- condition I'd have a hard time
yawning about it.

Well, if the Brits have anything to do with it, they'll restore it , then
give it to some Hooray Henry named Lt. Commander Nigel Double-Barreled
(goes back to Norman times you know, hawr hawr) who will replant it at an
airshow, and with any luck he'll take out a row of vintage airplanes as
well.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
AJ wrote in
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Link to the NY Daily News story, with two photos:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_r...-11-15_us_wwii
_fighter_plane_found_on_coast_of_.html


Yes, apparently it's the oldest known surviving '38

No.
http://www.warbirdalley.com/p38.htm

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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It's a P-38. If it's restored to -any- condition I'd have a hard time
yawning about it.

Well, if the Brits have anything to do with it, they'll restore it , then
give it to some Hooray Henry named Lt. Commander Nigel Double-Barreled
(goes back to Norman times you know, hawr hawr) who will replant it at an
airshow, and with any luck he'll take out a row of vintage airplanes as
well.

Excellent rant. Is that in reference to Black Six?
-c

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .

It's a P-38. If it's restored to -any- condition I'd have a hard
time yawning about it.

Well, if the Brits have anything to do with it, they'll restore it ,
then give it to some Hooray Henry named Lt. Commander Nigel
Double-Barreled (goes back to Norman times you know, hawr hawr) who
will replant it at an airshow, and with any luck he'll take out a row
of vintage airplanes as well.

Excellent rant. Is that in reference to Black Six?
-c


For one. Some asshole also planted a -38 at Duxford around 1995 and
there's some other idiot ex Roya Navy commander who has crashed so many
he should be a given the Pour le Merite.
I saw the P-38 guy who crashed (dished out of a roll) about a year
before hs accident. He broke every rule in the book and nobody seemed to
care. He was doing aileron rolls pointed straight at the crowd (which
looked absolutely brilliant, I'll admit) and was looping the thing at
insanely low altitudes and using the most awkward and dangerous looking
"cranking" during the last quarter to trim the grass during the exit.
Unfortuantely it was only a matter of time.

Then there was the guy who crashed the last flying Mosquito doing
wingovers at a show in Manchester, I think, the idiot who split-essed
into the ground in a Hurricane a few months ago (that one's on you Tube,
what was he thinking?), the Aircobra a couple of years ago and on and
on..
Excuse me Dudley, if any of these guys were your friends, but with this
many stupid avoidable accidents in such a small country (with an
admittedly large warbird scene) something has got to be wrong.



Bertie

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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .

It's a P-38. If it's restored to -any- condition I'd have a hard
time yawning about it.

Well, if the Brits have anything to do with it, they'll restore it ,
then give it to some Hooray Henry named Lt. Commander Nigel
Double-Barreled (goes back to Norman times you know, hawr hawr) who
will replant it at an airshow, and with any luck he'll take out a row
of vintage airplanes as well.

Excellent rant. Is that in reference to Black Six?
-c


For one. Some asshole also planted a -38 at Duxford around 1995 and
there's some other idiot ex Roya Navy commander who has crashed so many
he should be a given the Pour le Merite.
I saw the P-38 guy who crashed (dished out of a roll) about a year
before hs accident. He broke every rule in the book and nobody seemed to
care. He was doing aileron rolls pointed straight at the crowd (which
looked absolutely brilliant, I'll admit) and was looping the thing at
insanely low altitudes and using the most awkward and dangerous looking
"cranking" during the last quarter to trim the grass during the exit.
Unfortuantely it was only a matter of time.

Then there was the guy who crashed the last flying Mosquito doing
wingovers at a show in Manchester, I think, the idiot who split-essed
into the ground in a Hurricane a few months ago (that one's on you Tube,
what was he thinking?), the Aircobra a couple of years ago and on and
on..
Excuse me Dudley, if any of these guys were your friends, but with this
many stupid avoidable accidents in such a small country (with an
admittedly large warbird scene) something has got to be wrong.


I would think that part of the problem is the insanely high cost of fuel
in the UK -- coupled with oppressive flying restrictions, which inhibit
proficiency.

Orval Fairbairn wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Gatt" wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
.. .

It's a P-38. If it's restored to -any- condition I'd have a hard
time yawning about it.

Well, if the Brits have anything to do with it, they'll restore it
, then give it to some Hooray Henry named Lt. Commander Nigel
Double-Barreled (goes back to Norman times you know, hawr hawr)
who will replant it at an airshow, and with any luck he'll take
out a row of vintage airplanes as well.

Excellent rant. Is that in reference to Black Six?
-c


For one. Some asshole also planted a -38 at Duxford around 1995 and
there's some other idiot ex Roya Navy commander who has crashed so
many he should be a given the Pour le Merite.
I saw the P-38 guy who crashed (dished out of a roll) about a year
before hs accident. He broke every rule in the book and nobody seemed
to care. He was doing aileron rolls pointed straight at the crowd
(which looked absolutely brilliant, I'll admit) and was looping the
thing at insanely low altitudes and using the most awkward and
dangerous looking "cranking" during the last quarter to trim the
grass during the exit. Unfortuantely it was only a matter of time.

Then there was the guy who crashed the last flying Mosquito doing
wingovers at a show in Manchester, I think, the idiot who split-essed
into the ground in a Hurricane a few months ago (that one's on you
Tube, what was he thinking?), the Aircobra a couple of years ago and
on and on..
Excuse me Dudley, if any of these guys were your friends, but with
this many stupid avoidable accidents in such a small country (with an
admittedly large warbird scene) something has got to be wrong.


I would think that part of the problem is the insanely high cost of
fuel in the UK -- coupled with oppressive flying restrictions, which
inhibit proficiency.


Yeah, I think you're probably right.


Bertie