The EAA should allow us to use our folding bikes at Airventure

Sliker wrote:
I wonder how with attitudes like that, we ever get new
homebuilt designs built.

I wonder if you personally attack everyone who dares to disagree with
your point of view.

I commend you on your maturity and objectivity.

On Jun 21, 6:58 pm, Dave S wrote:
Sliker wrote:

I wonder how with attitudes like that, we ever get new

homebuilt designs built.

I wonder if you personally attack everyone who dares to disagree with
your point of view.

I commend you on your maturity and objectivity.

First of all, you didn't disagree with my point of view, I disagreed
with yours. Second, since I did disagree, you try to paint a picture
of
blind following's as if I don't have my own opinion. Third, you want
to talk about maturity, think before you talk. Moron.
Lou

"Lou" wrote in message ...
On Jun 21, 6:58 pm, Dave S wrote:
Sliker wrote:

I wonder how with attitudes like that, we ever get new

homebuilt designs built.

I wonder if you personally attack everyone who dares to disagree with
your point of view.

I commend you on your maturity and objectivity.

First of all, you didn't disagree with my point of view, I disagreed
with yours. Second, since I did disagree, you try to paint a picture
of
blind following's as if I don't have my own opinion. Third, you want
to talk about maturity, think before you talk. Moron.
Lou

How do I spell moron? It starts with L, has an O in the middle, and ends with YOU...

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:10:33 -0700 (PDT), Lou
wrote:

Your a moron.

Or anyone else that disagrees with your views

Kyle Boatright wrote:

"Sliker" wrote in message
...
I'd put a motor
on my bike, so I could get around. And the flight line isn't that
packed with pedestrians, there's more than enough room for a folding
bike. Now I can see why the rules never get changed, as soon as it's
tried, everyone defends anything Poberenzy and crowd want to issue as
law.


On the other hand, if you're a pilot or careful person with a bike on a
ramp with low activity, that isn't a problem, but that doesn't exactly
describe Oshkosh, does it?

KB
I was wondering when the last time he was to Oshkosh (maybe 1956 or
so???) where the flightline wasn't crowded with pedestrians. I've been
there pretty much every year since 1975 and it always seems too crowded
to try and weave a bike through the crowd (assuming you ride the bike on
the pavement and not row to row sneaking between planes, which I agree,
would not thrill me when my plane is parked there). I don't think we're
all sheep following the leader at all...as Kyle says who wants a bike
(especially motorized) running around their airplane???

Scott

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:58:56 -0500, Dave S
wrote:

Sliker wrote:
I wonder how with attitudes like that, we ever get new
homebuilt designs built.

I wonder if you personally attack everyone who dares to disagree with
your point of view.

I commend you on your maturity and objectivity.


Go ahead, walk your arse off on the Airventure fly-in. I've been going
to that thing since '73, And I could see so much more of it if it
weren't for all the walking involved. That thing is spread out far and
wide. Many times, things I want to see are so far, I just don't have
the energy to go see them, especially towards the end of the day.
A person that flys into the show, in a homebuilt, parks and then you
face the fact that you have no ground transportation, the hotels are
full, and try getting a rental car. I'ved used the busses, but they
aren't ideal, especially if they aren't going where your lodging is.
So you are on your feet from the time you land and park, until you
leave. And they won't let us use a folding bike. Stubborn asses
Go ahead and defend that archaic rule. Then one day when Airventure is
no more, we'll all look back and wonder why it died. The list will be
long, and some of these unneccesary rules will be at the top of the
list. Don't think it will happen? That's what they thought back in the
golden age of air racing too, and a little over 10 years after it
started, it was finished. And not just due to the war, it was about
done when that started. People lost interest. And when that's
happening, we don't need any unneccesary rules to give attendees more
reasons not to attend the event.

Well then, what about the volunteers, who ride motorcycles all over
the grounds? I've not heard one instance of them running into an
airplane. Why would a pilot that brings his folding bike with him be
any less able to avoid hitting a plane? There's more than enough room
to maneuver a bike at that event. If not, the volunteers wouldn't have
room to roam at will on their motorcycles. And I'm not talking about
letting the entire general populace ride bikes, just giving the ones
who fly in a show plane. Exceptions can be made. One year at Oshkosh,
I noticed the Taylor flying car, sans wings, driving all over the
grounds anywhere he wanted to go with it. It was really neat to see,
and I admired it everytime it drove by. Not once did I worry about
what he might hit with it. I was glad to see it there, and able to
roam the grounds at will. If you don't want a bike, or motorized one
around your plane, then write the EAA and tell them no more volunteers
on motorcycles on the flight line, or you aren't coming. See what they
in return.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:04:37 +0000, Scott
wrote:
On the other hand, if you're a pilot or careful person with a bike on a
ramp with low activity, that isn't a problem, but that doesn't exactly
describe Oshkosh, does it?

KB
I was wondering when the last time he was to Oshkosh (maybe 1956 or
so???) where the flightline wasn't crowded with pedestrians. I've been
there pretty much every year since 1975 and it always seems too crowded
to try and weave a bike through the crowd (assuming you ride the bike on
the pavement and not row to row sneaking between planes, which I agree,
would not thrill me when my plane is parked there). I don't think we're
all sheep following the leader at all...as Kyle says who wants a bike
(especially motorized) running around their airplane???

Scott

"Sliker" wrote

volunteers, who ride motorcycles all over
the grounds? I've not heard one instance of them running into an
airplane.

Volunteers do not ride motorcycles all over the grounds.
Some of the flightline and aircraft movement volunteers, POP volunteers and
maybe others who need to cover a lot of ground, coordinating parking,
greeting, taxiing etc., ride motor scooters. These volunteers are absolutly
nesessary to the safe and efficient operation of Airventure. If you want to
ride a scooter, volunteer for this duty. Be warned, they work long hours in
the sun and carry a lot of responsibility.

Why would a pilot that brings his folding bike with him be
any less able to avoid hitting a plane? There's more than enough room
to maneuver a bike at that event

The volunteers are covered by insurance if they happen to hit a plane. Would
you be?
There may be room in some areas at some times, but the addition of ten
thousand bikes zooming around at peak times is scary.

And I'm not talking about
letting the entire general populace ride bikes, just giving the ones
who fly in a show plane.

If you fly in in a show plane or other homebuilt, ask the greeter who shows
up when you tie down, to call the Welcome Wagon to your parking place.
They'll give you a ride to any place on the airport or the campgrounds. Just
leave a fat tip and you'll be remembered by the drivers. They give rides to
homebuilders and other friendly folks all through the event, even those that
don't tip.

I noticed the Taylor flying car, sans wings, driving all over the
grounds anywhere he wanted to go with it. It was really neat to see,
and I admired it everytime it drove by. Not once did I worry about
what he might hit with it. I was glad to see it there, and able to
roam the grounds at will. If you don't want a bike, or motorized one
around your plane, then write the EAA and tell them no more volunteers
on motorcycles on the flight line, or you aren't coming. See what they
in return.
My guess, they'll say "sorry you're not going to make it to Airventure. Have
a nice day."

Tom

On Jun 22, 8:08 am, Sliker wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:58:56 -0500, Dave S
wrote:

Sliker wrote:
I wonder how with attitudes like that, we ever get new
homebuilt designs built.

I wonder if you personally attack everyone who dares to disagree with
your point of view.

I commend you on your maturity and objectivity.

Go ahead, walk your arse off on the Airventure fly-in. I've been going
to that thing since '73, And I could see so much more of it if it
weren't for all the walking involved. That thing is spread out far and
wide. Many times, things I want to see are so far, I just don't have
the energy to go see them, especially towards the end of the day.
A person that flys into the show, in a homebuilt, parks and then you
face the fact that you have no ground transportation, the hotels are
full, and try getting a rental car. I'ved used the busses, but they
aren't ideal, especially if they aren't going where your lodging is.
So you are on your feet from the time you land and park, until you
leave. And they won't let us use a folding bike. Stubborn asses
Go ahead and defend that archaic rule. Then one day when Airventure is
no more, we'll all look back and wonder why it died. The list will be
long, and some of these unneccesary rules will be at the top of the
list. Don't think it will happen? That's what they thought back in the
golden age of air racing too, and a little over 10 years after it
started, it was finished. And not just due to the war, it was about
done when that started. People lost interest. And when that's
happening, we don't need any unneccesary rules to give attendees more
reasons not to attend the event.


I can't stand lazy people.
Lou

Sliker wrote:
The trams are not usually available when you want one, and are a waste
of time waiting for them. I grab one when I see one going in the right
direction, but it's not that often. Or they are full. I'd put a motor
on my bike, so I could get around. And the flight line isn't that
packed with pedestrians, there's more than enough room for a folding
bike. Now I can see why the rules never get changed, as soon as it's
tried, everyone defends anything Poberenzy and crowd want to issue as
law. I've been to a lot of local fly-ins that don't have so many rules
and guess what? it's not a problem with a bike. It's actually been
done succesfully! without incident. Can you imagine? Probably hard for
the dot every i, cross every t, follow every rule to the letter crowd.
Like sheep. I wonder how with attitudes like that, we ever get new
homebuilt designs built.

So now you want not only your bike you want a motorized bike? What next,
are you going to ask to let you drive your car around the grounds?

I'm sure EAA will miss you as a member. Which is worse a sheep or a whiner?