Challenger Crashe at TEB

"zatatime" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:50:35 -0900, Scott Skylane
wrote:

Blueskies wrote:
/snip/ Someone on a respirator with head
injuries was hit while driving his car, and a couple more were injured when hit...

Well, he shouldn't have been driving in the first place!!!


LOL!!! That's exactly what I was thinking!!!

z

LOL - OK, I get it!

Sad day for a couple of folks - just heard two died...

"Blueskies" wrote in message
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"zatatime" wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:50:35 -0900, Scott Skylane
wrote:

Blueskies wrote:
/snip/ Someone on a respirator with head
injuries was hit while driving his car, and a couple more were injured
when hit...

Well, he shouldn't have been driving in the first place!!!


LOL!!! That's exactly what I was thinking!!!

z

LOL - OK, I get it!

Sad day for a couple of folks - just heard two died...


Not that I can find anywhere -

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ap/plane_crash

Still a wild deal. I flew IN a Challenger a couple times, amazing plane.
Beats my 172!

On 2/2/05 8:24 AM, in article ,
"Jon Kraus" wrote:

It looks like the Challenger skidded off the runway and crashed into a
warehouse at TEB. Isn't this the same kind of plane that crashed on
takeoff in Colorado? It looks like the plane remained intact so
hopefully the passengers and crew are OK.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146112,00.html

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 4443H


It seems to me that beyond the fact that they did ultimately crash, this
crew made the right decision to abort the takeoff and avoided an accident
that would likely have been much worse.
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It doesn't appear that ice was a factor:


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...ck=1&cset=true

The pilot is claiming that something broke:

http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=2902222

A radio report I heard said that the pilot said that he couldn't pull the
yoke back, at which point he discontinued the takeoff.

Of course, all this is almost irrelevant. The ground-huggers are out in
force now, exploiting this accident:

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index....0326181070.xml
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index....1476833170.xml


"I intend to use this accident to help persuade the FAA
(Federal Aviation Administration) that Teterboro Airport
has reached its capacity and that any additional flights
coming into this region should go through JFK or Newark
airports," said Rep. Steve Rothman (D-9th Dist.).

Of course, he doesn't represent the people around those airports, nor those
that would be impacted by the increased delays. Well, actually, some
people in his district would be impacted, but he'd just find someone else
to blame.

Teterboro Airport was there long before any of these businesses or
residents.

- Andrew

Andrew Gideon wrote:

It doesn't appear that ice was a factor:


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...ck=1&cset=true

The pilot is claiming that something broke:

http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=2902222

A radio report I heard said that the pilot said that he couldn't pull the
yoke back, at which point he discontinued the takeoff.

Probably all that frost on the elevator made it too heavy to lift up for
rotation. :-)

It does sound like something failed that blocked or froze the control
column. Sounds unlikely, but this was an experienced captain (one
source said 15,000 hours) so I trust he knew that the stick wasn't
moving enough for takeoff.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message It does sound like something failed that
blocked or froze the control
column. Sounds unlikely, but this was an experienced captain (one
source said 15,000 hours) so I trust he knew that the stick wasn't
moving enough for takeoff.

Trusting sorts get squashed. The PIC may very well have that much flight
time, but according to my source he was typed in Challengers just 2 weeks
ago. The FO purportedly had a couple hours total in Challengers. My source
indicates that one pilot wanted to continue the take-off and one wanted to
abort. Poor CRM led to mayhem.

D. (so much for icing)

Capt.Doug wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message It does sound like something failed that
blocked or froze the control
column. Sounds unlikely, but this was an experienced captain (one
source said 15,000 hours) so I trust he knew that the stick wasn't
moving enough for takeoff.


Trusting sorts get squashed. The PIC may very well have that much flight
time, but according to my source he was typed in Challengers just 2 weeks
ago. The FO purportedly had a couple hours total in Challengers. My source
indicates that one pilot wanted to continue the take-off and one wanted to
abort. Poor CRM led to mayhem.

Yes, poor CRM can be deadly. I didn't hear the time in type, just the
total PIC. Even so, it seems like someone that experienced would be
able to tell functioning controls from non-functioning controls.


Matt

Jon Kraus wrote:

It looks like the Challenger skidded off the runway and crashed into a
warehouse at TEB.

Yesterday, NPR news stated that the mayor is pushing for reducing the number of
flights at TEB and installing "foam crash barriers" at the ends of the runway.

No mention of the fact that the deceleration produced by barriers like that
would have killed everyone on board this aircraft had they been in place.

George Patterson
He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an
adequate understanding of truth and falsehood.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jon Kraus wrote:

It looks like the Challenger skidded off the runway and crashed into a
warehouse at TEB.

Yesterday, NPR news stated that the mayor is pushing for reducing the
number of
flights at TEB and installing "foam crash barriers" at the ends of the
runway.

No mention of the fact that the deceleration produced by barriers like
that
would have killed everyone on board this aircraft had they been in place.

I suspect his point is not to protect the pax and crew as much as to protect
the people in the buildings and roads around the airport. That building the
Challenger crashed into happened to be empty, but during working hours that
one alone has more than 200 people in it.

Doesn't take away from the lack of imagination in thinking that foam will
solve any perceived problems with the airport, but might explain where he is
coming from.

George Patterson wrote:

No mention of the fact that the deceleration produced by barriers like that
would have killed everyone on board this aircraft had they been in place.

Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. But if that plane would have hit a
school bus full of kids when crossing the road and/or that warehouse
would not have happened to be empty at that time, I bet the airport
would already be closed right now.

Stefdan