Challenger Crashe at TEB

It looks like the Challenger skidded off the runway and crashed into a
warehouse at TEB. Isn't this the same kind of plane that crashed on
takeoff in Colorado? It looks like the plane remained intact so
hopefully the passengers and crew are OK.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146112,00.html

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 4443H

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
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It looks like the Challenger skidded off the runway and crashed into a
warehouse at TEB. Isn't this the same kind of plane that crashed on
takeoff in Colorado? It looks like the plane remained intact so hopefully
the passengers and crew are OK.


There are no leading edge devices on a Challenger. Bombardier made it cheap
to buy, but that wing is very clean. I'm betting on an emergency AD for
winter operations.

Karl

In rec.aviation.owning kage wrote:

: There are no leading edge devices on a Challenger. Bombardier made it cheap
: to buy, but that wing is very clean. I'm betting on an emergency AD for
: winter operations.

Kind of like the DC-9-10 series, eh? What, 5% of the DC-9-10 fleet crashed
on take off because of wing contamination?
Even more similar to the Fokker F-28 series, a similar size & weight
aircraft (well, compared to a DC-9, anyway). Crashes at Dryden and La Guardia
because of wing contamination. The Fokker report says that one 1mm ice
particle per square centimeter of wing reduces lift coeficient by at least
22%.
--
Aaron C.

"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
...
It looks like the Challenger skidded off the runway and crashed into a
warehouse at TEB. Isn't this the same kind of plane that crashed on
takeoff in Colorado? It looks like the plane remained intact so hopefully
the passengers and crew are OK.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146112,00.html

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 4443H


Two in the last two months? Winter ops are not to kind for the Challenger.

Looks like all except the co-pilot walked away, and the co-pilot had a broken leg. Someone on a respirator with head
injuries was hit while driving his car, and a couple more were injured when hit...


"Jon Kraus" wrote in message ...
It looks like the Challenger skidded off the runway and crashed into a warehouse at TEB. Isn't this the same kind of
plane that crashed on takeoff in Colorado? It looks like the plane remained intact so hopefully the passengers and
crew are OK.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146112,00.html

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201 4443H

Blueskies wrote:
/snip/ Someone on a respirator with head
injuries was hit while driving his car, and a couple more were injured when hit...

Well, he shouldn't have been driving in the first place!!!

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:50:35 -0900, Scott Skylane
wrote:

Blueskies wrote:
/snip/ Someone on a respirator with head
injuries was hit while driving his car, and a couple more were injured when hit...

Well, he shouldn't have been driving in the first place!!!


LOL!!! That's exactly what I was thinking!!!

z

"zatatime" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:50:35 -0900, Scott Skylane
wrote:

Blueskies wrote:
/snip/ Someone on a respirator with head
injuries was hit while driving his car, and a couple more were injured when hit...

Well, he shouldn't have been driving in the first place!!!


LOL!!! That's exactly what I was thinking!!!

z

LOL - OK, I get it!

Sad day for a couple of folks - just heard two died...

On 2-Feb-2005, Aaron Coolidge wrote:

Kind of like the DC-9-10 series, eh? What, 5% of the DC-9-10 fleet crashed
on take off because of wing contamination?
Even more similar to the Fokker F-28 series, a similar size & weight
aircraft (well, compared to a DC-9, anyway). Crashes at Dryden and La
Guardia because of wing contamination. The Fokker report says that one 1mm
ice
particle per square centimeter of wing reduces lift coeficient by at least
22%.


This is one of the few safety advantages of light piston singles. When you
reach takeoff speed in a single, pull back, but the plane doesn't want to
fly for whatever reason, you will most often have ample runway left to abort
the takeoff (assuming a runway of 3500 ft or longer). And if you do run off
the end, it will be at low speed, so chances are there will be no injuries.
In a jet, once you exceed V1 on takeoff you are committed. Then if the
plane won't fly at Vr, due to wing contamination or some other cause, you
are screwed unless you are on an exceptionally long runway.
--
-Elliott Drucker

"Blueskies" wrote in message
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"zatatime" wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 13:50:35 -0900, Scott Skylane
wrote:

Blueskies wrote:
/snip/ Someone on a respirator with head
injuries was hit while driving his car, and a couple more were injured
when hit...

Well, he shouldn't have been driving in the first place!!!


LOL!!! That's exactly what I was thinking!!!

z

LOL - OK, I get it!

Sad day for a couple of folks - just heard two died...


Not that I can find anywhere -

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ap/plane_crash

Still a wild deal. I flew IN a Challenger a couple times, amazing plane.
Beats my 172!