German RT

Thomas Borchert wrote:

"United Twentyonefortyone,

It's actually easier to remember and takes less time to say than United
two-one-for-one.

Yankspeak (= US equivalent of ICAO R/T) is there because it saves time,
and there's not much of it in the high density airspaces. I've listened
for a while to Schiphols ATC (as far as I know the only european atc
available on the web) and it's astonishing how much of their R/T is just
redundant, over and over the same stuff, just tying up the airwaves.

out of fourteenhundred climbing to
fiftyfive."

Well, that's just sloppy... ;-)

That's just a minor nit, though - US radio traffic is
full of non-standard stuff.

I don't know exact numbers but there's a substantial percentage of
US-Airline pilots, that have never flown outside US-Airspace and the
only thing they know and subsequently teach to others is yankspeak. When
I flew the islands, you won't believe how many US Airline Pilots weren't
familiar with the term line-up and wait. ;-)

But you can say one thing about Yankspeak: It's very efficient.

Cheers,
Jens

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Jens Krueger wrote:
you won't believe how many US Airline Pilots weren't
familiar with the term line-up and wait. ;-)
But you can say one thing about Yankspeak: It's very efficient.

hehehehe. German is VERY efficient as it usually only takes
one 'word' compared to many in other languages. for instance,
here are some words from a letter I had to write about the
taxes I had to pay when I lived in Germany.

sozialversicherungspflichtig
Progressionsvorbehaltsberechnung
Einkommensteuergesetzes


think about it, "Cherokee four one niner zulu tango, six
miles northeast of FUBAR, maintain three thousand until established on
the final approach corridor, cleared for the Sacramento Executive
two-niner right approach" simply gets shortened to a single word.

Gerald

"G. Sylvester" wrote in message
m...
[...]
think about it, "Cherokee four one niner zulu tango, six
miles northeast of FUBAR, maintain three thousand until established on
the final approach corridor, cleared for the Sacramento Executive
two-niner right approach" simply gets shortened to a single word.

Yeah. It's gets "shortened" to:

"CherokeefouroneninerzulutangosixmilesnortheastofF UBARmaintainthreethousanduntilestablishedonthefina lapproachcorridorclearedfortheSacramentoExecutivet woninerrightapproach"

That's SO much better.

Peter Duniho wrote:
"G. Sylvester" wrote in message
m...

[...]
think about it, "Cherokee four one niner zulu tango, six
miles northeast of FUBAR, maintain three thousand until established on
the final approach corridor, cleared for the Sacramento Executive
two-niner right approach" simply gets shortened to a single word.


Yeah. It's gets "shortened" to:

"CherokeefouroneninerzulutangosixmilesnortheastofF UBARmaintainthreethousanduntilestablishedonthefina lapproachcorridorclearedfortheSacramentoExecutivet woninerrightapproach"

one word. Now that is efficient.

So do you have to address the controller as "Doctor Doctor
Muenchen Approach...." if the controller has 2 PhD's? If
you don't, including if you only say "Doctor Muenchen..."
do they refuse to talk to you?

Gerald

G. Sylvester wrote:
So do you have to address the controller as "Doctor Doctor
Muenchen Approach...." if the controller has 2 PhD's? If
you don't, including if you only say "Doctor Muenchen..."
do they refuse to talk to you?


Of course; you've shown no respect. Isn't it "Herr Doktor Muenchen"?




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:


Of course; you've shown no respect. Isn't it "Herr Doktor Muenchen"?

hehehe. I'm sure their business title was a "manager of air" too.
After all, in the EU, all employees are managers. My old German,
woops sorry, Bavarian company had 47% managers including some
praktikantin (student interns). I used to address medical doctors
by their first name. They knew I was a New Yorker so they just
laughed and called me by my first name or something more appropriate
like "scheisskerl."

Gerald