Non existent VOR

On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:59:00 GMT, john smith wrote:

I flew from Ohio to Florida early this week. The third leg was from
Valdosta (KVLD) GA to West Palm Beach (KPBI) FL.
My originally filed route was amended twice before I got 25 miles. JAX
Center gave me PHK (Pahokee VOR) as my final fix before KPBI.
As I was nearing the east shore of Lake Okeechobee, the approach
controller asked me if I was going direct to some intersection.
I responded that I was flying direct PHK.
He then told me PHK had disappeared in one of the hurricanes last year.
I told him that I was going to ask if any had reported that the VOR was
out of service, as I had not been receiving any signal on the nav
receiver.
There was no NOTAM in any of my briefings, center gave me an amended
clearance with the fix included, and it is charted on the new charts
(IFR and Sectionals).
Only the local controllers told seem to know the navaid did not exist.
This one gets a NASA Form 277.

How did you brief your flight?

I just entered a similar flight into DUATS (KVLD PHK KPBI) and then
requested a briefing. Amongst the NOTAMS:

!MIA 11/102 PHK HIWAS OTS
!MIA 11/015 PHK VORTAC OTS


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

How did you brief your flight?

Live briefing from Macon FSS.

john smith wrote:
How did you brief your flight?


Live briefing from Macon FSS.

Some feedback might be in order...

Dave

On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:19:46 GMT, john smith wrote:

How did you brief your flight?

Live briefing from Macon FSS.

I would certainly let them know that they blew this one.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

From AIM 5-1-1 paragraph D:

d. FSSs are required to advise of pertinent NOTAMs if a standard briefing is
requested, but if they are overlooked, don't hesitate to remind the
specialist that you have not received NOTAM information.

NOTE-
NOTAMs which are known in sufficient time for publication and are of 7 days
duration or longer are normally incorporated into the Notices to Airmen
Publication and carried there until cancellation time. FDC NOTAMs, which
apply to instrument flight procedures, are also included in the Notices to
Airmen Publication up to and including the number indicated in the FDC NOTAM
legend. Printed NOTAMs are not provided during a briefing unless
specifically requested by the pilot since the FSS specialist has no way of
knowing whether the pilot has already checked the Notices to Airmen
Publication prior to calling. Remember to ask for NOTAMs in the Notices to
Airmen Publication. This information is not normally furnished during your
briefing.

REFERENCE-
AIM, Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) System, Paragraph 5-1-3.

Therefore, you have to specifically ask for the printed NOTAMs
when talking to a flight briefer. DUATs briefings DO include the
printed NOTAMs in every case I've checked.

Ronnie

"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:19:46 GMT, john smith wrote:

How did you brief your flight?

Live briefing from Macon FSS.

I would certainly let them know that they blew this one.
Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

john smith wrote:
How did you brief your flight?


Live briefing from Macon FSS.

....more validation for my policy of avoiding this type of briefing whenever
possible.

john smith wrote in news:jsmith-ED8342.17581501042006
@network-065-024-007-028.columbus.rr.com:

I flew from Ohio to Florida early this week. The third leg was from
Valdosta (KVLD) GA to West Palm Beach (KPBI) FL.
My originally filed route was amended twice before I got 25 miles. JAX
Center gave me PHK (Pahokee VOR) as my final fix before KPBI.
As I was nearing the east shore of Lake Okeechobee, the approach
controller asked me if I was going direct to some intersection.
I responded that I was flying direct PHK.
He then told me PHK had disappeared in one of the hurricanes last year.
I told him that I was going to ask if any had reported that the VOR was
out of service, as I had not been receiving any signal on the nav
receiver.
There was no NOTAM in any of my briefings, center gave me an amended
clearance with the fix included, and it is charted on the new charts
(IFR and Sectionals).
Only the local controllers told seem to know the navaid did not exist.
This one gets a NASA Form 277.

Sorry, I haven't had time to read this group for awhile, so I'm replying
to a rather old post.

The Sabine Pass (SBI) and Leeville (LEV) VORs were also destroyed by
Katrina and Rita. LEV is back up, but AFAIK SBI is still OTS (at least
it was a couple of weeks ago). You have to check the NOTAMs for stuff
like this, that's what they're for.

--
Regards,

Stan

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