Busting airspace question

Robert Chambers wrote:
So fly to a non towered airport, do a low approach, turn off the
transponder and fly home at treetop level. Make sure you put your foil
helmet on and watch out for black helicopters.


You forgot the colored duct tape for "pick your own" N-numbers. G

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:33:49 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:

If the FAA finds
that the instructor was negligent in teaching his student, then they may take
any action from warning him to taking away his certificates.

That would explain why my normally composed instructor became nervous as we
got underneath a Class B ring.

--
Dallas

Dallas wrote:

How serious is this infraction and what generally happens to the hapless
pilot?

As far as barely clipping airspace, I know folks who have _just_ by a
hair clipped BOS & NY, and were not pursued. Personally, I contact them
well clear of the space and ask for clearance if I'm anywhere near the
edge, as I really don't want to poke at the beast.

What's probably worse is popping up through the floor, or suddenly
showing up some other way.

I am personally familiar with someone who was cut loose from a VFR
flight following and told to squawk VFR by NYC Bravo controllers, while
INSIDE Newark's inner-ring airspace, on approach to Linden, NJ.

Newark Tower called Linden and they had Newark on the phone when he
walked into the FBO.

Lucky for him, the conversation started off like this:

Caller: "Did those MF'er's (ref: NY Bravo control) do what we think they
did?"
Pilot: "Yes"
Caller" (in background) "Get those a--holes on the phone!" (back to
phone) "If that _ever_ happens again, fly directly over the center of
the field and contact the tower"

Apparently, an airliner had to go around due to his Piper Arrow zipping
right through the space as a 1200. The pilot filed a NASA form.

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 05:15:36 -0800, B A R R Y wrote
(in article ):

Dallas wrote:

How serious is this infraction and what generally happens to the hapless
pilot?

As far as barely clipping airspace, I know folks who have _just_ by a
hair clipped BOS & NY, and were not pursued. Personally, I contact them
well clear of the space and ask for clearance if I'm anywhere near the
edge, as I really don't want to poke at the beast.

What's probably worse is popping up through the floor, or suddenly
showing up some other way.

I am personally familiar with someone who was cut loose from a VFR
flight following and told to squawk VFR by NYC Bravo controllers, while
INSIDE Newark's inner-ring airspace, on approach to Linden, NJ.

Newark Tower called Linden and they had Newark on the phone when he
walked into the FBO.

Lucky for him, the conversation started off like this:

Caller: "Did those MF'er's (ref: NY Bravo control) do what we think they
did?"
Pilot: "Yes"
Caller" (in background) "Get those a--holes on the phone!" (back to
phone) "If that _ever_ happens again, fly directly over the center of
the field and contact the tower"

Apparently, an airliner had to go around due to his Piper Arrow zipping
right through the space as a 1200. The pilot filed a NASA form.

This is a great example of why you don't blindly follow ATC instructions. I
think the proper response would have been, "Say again? We are still inside
the Bravo."

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:
This is a great example of why you don't blindly follow ATC instructions. I
think the proper response would have been, "Say again? We are still inside
the Bravo."

While flying from HOU to AXH, I've had the tower quite a few times turn
me loose and tell me to squawk 1200 a few miles before being clear of
the Class-B... I guess they figure that on a flight on a straight out
radial from the airport, it's not like I'm going to make any abrupt
course changes in the next minute or so...

On the other hand, I've had controllers keep me until I was well out of
the Class-B and I had to remind them to let me go...

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:47:01 -0800, Grumman-581 wrote
(in article ):

C J Campbell wrote:
This is a great example of why you don't blindly follow ATC instructions. I
think the proper response would have been, "Say again? We are still inside
the Bravo."

While flying from HOU to AXH, I've had the tower quite a few times turn
me loose and tell me to squawk 1200 a few miles before being clear of
the Class-B... I guess they figure that on a flight on a straight out
radial from the airport, it's not like I'm going to make any abrupt
course changes in the next minute or so...

On the other hand, I've had controllers keep me until I was well out of
the Class-B and I had to remind them to let me go...

Yeah, we get that sort of thing in Seattle, too.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:
Yeah, we get that sort of thing in Seattle, too.

Well, up there they just figure you're going to turn back around after
you realize that you're out of coffee...

None of our students at my FBO (to my knowledge) have broke the Bravo but we
DID have a student who busted Class Charlie and the FAA had a long,
drawn-out talk with them.

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Cecil E. Chapman
CFI-A, CP-ASEL-IA

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
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- Cecil Day Lewis -

On Feb 4, 6:36 am, "Cecil Chapman" wrote:
None of our students at my FBO (to my knowledge) have broke the Bravo but we
DID have a student who busted Class Charlie and the FAA had a long,
drawn-out talk with them.

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Good Flights!

Cecil E. Chapman
CFI-A, CP-ASEL-IA

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at:www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

What about busting a Delta? There is no way they could catch you
unless you happened to land there.

When i was going through my training, there were a few delta's around
(but no Bravos or Charlies), and I remember being so paranoid that I
might clip one of them. Looking back, I don't think it would have been
possible for them to catch me, unless I were to come within binocular
range of the tower...