A thousand incursions a year?

Well, I was one of those incursions about 6 months ago. I was following
the procedure for Kentmorr which requires a specific code, no contact,
but an entry and exit directly to the east. On the my way out, I
started my turn onto the borderng airway to soon. That is I cut the
corner on the 90degree turn. I talked to ATC once I got home per their
instruction. We agreed on what happened. I was humble and he was doing
his job. No violation or followup.

I suspect *many* incursions are of this type. It was clear what I was
doing, why and how. No threat even implied. But it made clear to me
that there is zero tolerance.

In retrospect, a damn good way to run an ADIZ, assuming one should be there.

Jay Honeck wrote:
But my point is, if there's a thousand incursions a year, what
does that say about the effectiveness and usefulness of the
ADIZ? My opinion is that it proves it's uselessness.


I find it hard to imagine that there are really 1000 incursions every year.

But if there really are that many, I'm afraid this says volumes more about
the caliber of our pilots than it does about the utility of an ADIZ.

I'm really starting to grow uncomfortable with this topic, as it is wearing
away at the patina of competence we, as pilots, have always worn. Maybe we
really aren't as good as we think?

I forgot to mention in my original post that in this program
was plenty of video demonstrating the laser warning system.

In the night footage the waring flashes were very clear.

However, in the daylight footage it was hard to spot. It
just didn't appear to stand out all that much. I would venture
to say that if someone was looking 90 degrees away from
the laser they wouldn't even notice it in the daytime.

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"Skywise" wrote in message ...
I forgot to mention in my original post that in this program
was plenty of video demonstrating the laser warning system.

In the night footage the waring flashes were very clear.

However, in the daylight footage it was hard to spot. It
just didn't appear to stand out all that much. I would venture
to say that if someone was looking 90 degrees away from
the laser they wouldn't even notice it in the daytime.

Brian
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All this is based on the assumption that the ADIZ is a valid premise anyway

" Blueskies" wrote in
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"Skywise" wrote in message
...
I forgot to mention in my original post that in this program
was plenty of video demonstrating the laser warning system.

In the night footage the waring flashes were very clear.

However, in the daylight footage it was hard to spot. It
just didn't appear to stand out all that much. I would venture
to say that if someone was looking 90 degrees away from
the laser they wouldn't even notice it in the daytime.

Brian
--


All this is based on the assumption that the ADIZ is a valid premise
anyway

Quite. But I am left wondering how useful this laser warning
system will be during the day. There's sure to be pilots who
say, "I didn't see no flashing red red green light."

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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 03:52:00 -0000, Skywise
wrote in
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But I am left wondering how useful this laser warning
system will be during the day. There's sure to be pilots who
say, "I didn't see no flashing red red green light."

Right. But the visual laser warning does provide an additional medium
for contacting ADIZ violators.

Some more incursion info heard on CNN today...

Unless I radically misunderstood, something about interceptor
jets being scrambled over 2000 times since 9/11.

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