Airplane shot down in Colombia

Jay Honeck wrote:
The United States is signatory to treaties prohibiting firing upon
civilian aircraft, but regularly violates these treaties. This is
behavior that we used to associate with the worst aspects of the Soviet
Union and other rogue states.

Just curious: When has the US ever fired on civilian aircraft?
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Iowa City, IA
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www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



I kind of remember something about an Iranian Airbus......

"Flydive" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:
The United States is signatory to treaties prohibiting firing upon
civilian aircraft, but regularly violates these treaties. This is
behavior that we used to associate with the worst aspects of the Soviet
Union and other rogue states.

Just curious: When has the US ever fired on civilian aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



I kind of remember something about an Iranian Airbus......

That was violating several ICAO rules, IIRC.

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Flydive" wrote in message
...
Jay Honeck wrote:
The United States is signatory to treaties prohibiting firing upon
civilian aircraft, but regularly violates these treaties. This is
behavior that we used to associate with the worst aspects of the Soviet
Union and other rogue states.
Just curious: When has the US ever fired on civilian aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


I kind of remember something about an Iranian Airbus......

That was violating several ICAO rules, IIRC.


So death penalty then? As the Corean 747, the Russian were right then?
And anyway it was a Civilian Aircraft and it was shot down by the US as
per question.

"Flydive" wrote in message
...
Jay Honeck wrote:
The United States is signatory to treaties prohibiting firing upon
civilian aircraft, but regularly violates these treaties. This is
behavior that we used to associate with the worst aspects of the Soviet
Union and other rogue states.

Just curious: When has the US ever fired on civilian aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"



I kind of remember something about an Iranian Airbus.

The Airbus incident was indeed tragic. But, the context was completely
different. The Airbus shoot-down was a horrible mistake involving its
mistaken identity as an immediate threat. This occurred in the vicinity of
ongoing hostilities. The shoot-down of the presumed drug runner was the
intentional stalking and shoot down of a civilian aircraft which posed no
immediate threat.

One question... Was the drug runner shoot-down during daylight hours? You
would think the intelligent drug runner would fly at night when
essentially day, VFR fighters wouldn't be effective.

KB

Kyle Boatright wrote:
"Flydive" wrote in message
...
Jay Honeck wrote:
The United States is signatory to treaties prohibiting firing upon
civilian aircraft, but regularly violates these treaties. This is
behavior that we used to associate with the worst aspects of the Soviet
Union and other rogue states.
Just curious: When has the US ever fired on civilian aircraft?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


I kind of remember something about an Iranian Airbus.

The Airbus incident was indeed tragic. But, the context was completely
different. The Airbus shoot-down was a horrible mistake involving its
mistaken identity as an immediate threat. This occurred in the vicinity of
ongoing hostilities. The shoot-down of the presumed drug runner was the
intentional stalking and shoot down of a civilian aircraft which posed no
immediate threat.

I agree.
Also, maybe the initial part of the tape is missing, so were there
warnings before? And I did not see the normal intercept procedures as
per ICAO




One question... Was the drug runner shoot-down during daylight hours? You
would think the intelligent drug runner would fly at night when
essentially day, VFR fighters wouldn't be effective.

KB

Flydive wrote:
I kind of remember something about an Iranian Airbus......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

In article 2007063020175575249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom,
C J Campbell wrote:

The United States is signatory to treaties prohibiting firing upon
civilian aircraft, but regularly violates these treaties.

The US regularly fires at civilian aircraft?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
news:2007063020175575249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
The United States is signatory to treaties prohibiting firing upon civilian aircraft, but regularly violates these
treaties. This is behavior that we used to associate with the worst aspects of the Soviet Union and other rogue
states.


It looks like the USA was helping with the tracking, but did not actually firing?

On the other hand, these drug dealers are conducting what is basically a civil war against the government of Columbia,
attempting to set up a criminal government providing a safe haven for all manner of gangsters and thugs.


The video was labeled from Brazil, yes? The 'border' was safe haven. What country were they talking about?


So it is a hard question. Do you let the drug dealers take over a whole country, or do you violate international
standards of behavior to prevent it? Personally, I have grave concerns about becoming what we are trying to stop.


Again, if the product were 'legal' somehow, there would be no black market...

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 2007-07-01 05:02:43 -0700, "Blueskies" said:


"C J Campbell" wrote in message
news:2007063020175575249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom...
The United States is signatory to treaties prohibiting firing upon
civilian aircraft, but regularly violates these
treaties. This is behavior that we used to associate with the worst
aspects of the Soviet Union and other rogue
states.


It looks like the USA was helping with the tracking, but did not
actually firing?

Ah. sarcastically And Uriah was not killed by King David. If you hire
some thug to kill your wife, I assure you that you will be charged with
murder. The United States is responsible for the actions of its agents.
In this case, the US provided the weapon, located the target, and aimed
the weapon. Calling over someone else to actually pull the trigger does
not keep your hands clean.


On the other hand, these drug dealers are conducting what is basically
a civil war against the government of Columbia,
attempting to set up a criminal government providing a safe haven for
all manner of gangsters and thugs.


The video was labeled from Brazil, yes? The 'border' was safe haven.
What country were they talking about?

I would suspect Peru or Venezuela.



So it is a hard question. Do you let the drug dealers take over a whole
country, or do you violate international
standards of behavior to prevent it? Personally, I have grave concerns
about becoming what we are trying to stop.


Again, if the product were 'legal' somehow, there would be no black market...

While I might agree with you, that does not excuse the United States
from responsibility for its current actions.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor