Ramp checked at AVP today

Dave Stadt wrote:

Wasn't Bob Hoovers ticket pulled on the spot by a couple of FAA types that
had no idea how to fly an airplane?

Yes, and that's precisely why inspectors aren't allowed to do it anymore.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

Cub Driver wrote:

When I was young and stupid, I was a passenger in a car that was
stopped by the Massachusetts state police. The trooper started jawing
and jawing about our lack of courtesy, etc., whereupon the tough-guy
driver said: "Don't gimme any sh*t, just gimme the ticket."

So the trooper did.

It made a great story to tell when we got home, but it was really
really stupid.

Conversely, when I was a young driver, I escaped more than a couple of
speeding tickets by simply being polite and showing respect to the
officer.

No matter how one feels, it rarely ever pays to **** off a government
employee.

--
Peter

Bill, you bring up an interesting point.

Years ago, I visited the Portland Me. GADO office, IGI written in hand, so
as to get the IGI rating added to my Ground instructor Certificate.

While I was there, the two FAA inspectors were discussing a pending
violation of one of the local pilots. His crime: He had just taken (and
passed) his ME checkride, BUT THE FAA forgot to add "Multiengine Land" to
his temporary certificate.
The pilot was caught during a ramp check without the appropriate rating for
the plane he was flying(a twin). Sure, the pilot was a dimbulb for not
noticing the discrepancy (pays $$ for a ME rating , passes, and no mention
of it on the new certificate!), but he was being violated for what was
ultimately an error by the FAA.

"BllFs6" wrote in message
...
What about this?

You hand an inspector your papers during a ramp check....

He stupidly takes or keeps something he has no legal right to....that you
cant
replace on the spot...

You are stuck in Middle of Nowhere, Crappy State USA....you and the plane
NEED
to get somewhere NOW....

You continue on your flight path to your destination....

Now youve shown up somewhere else WITHOUT a critical piece of paper....

WHO gets in trouble for not having the correct papers at the second ramp
check?

I no nutin about piloting....and an inspector would have to be real jerk
before
I'd be anything but polite, helpful, and respectable....

but I'm not sure I'd physically let go of any critical piece of paperwork
I
needed either...

As they say...."possesion is 9/10ths of the law"

take care

Blll

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message
Only the W&B form signed by a mechanic counts as the legally required W&B --
a GPS database does not suffice.

Can you point me to an FAR that says this?

Thanks,
Bruce Bockius

(No chart okay, out-of-date chart bad

I know this is a prevalent story, but I have never read of any enforcement
action on this.

Thanks for the added information.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Most, not all planes. Now they all have to be in the same spot. Pilots
side on the fuselage just in fron of the tail.

That's pretty funny. I wonder how many DEA guys know that the pilot's
side in a J-3 is the port side?

(What about the PA-22? The pilot sits on the left but enters and
leaves on the right?)

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...

snip The data plate was located inside the aircraft until the early
'90s. Then the feds passed two regulations; one required that all aircraft
have 12"
high N-numbers and the other required an identification plate be added at
the tail.
These were quickly ammended to allow aircraft with smaller numbers to
retain them
until the next paint job, allow some other aircraft (mainly antiques) to
retain the
smaller numbers, and to allow the registration info to be painted on
instead of
having a plate if the aircraft did not originally come with an exterior
plate.



George Patterson

The 12' numbers are for crossing the ADIZ and/or for aircraft with a cruise
speed that is higher than most piston engined aircraft.

Here's the FAR (pulled from the Matronics RV List Archives - a very handy
source of information): http://www.matronics.com/searching/search.html


45.29 Size of marks.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (f) of this section, each operator of an
aircraft shall display marks on the aircraft meeting the size requirements
of this section.
(b) Height. Except as provided in paragraph (h) of this part, the
nationality and registration marks must be of equal height and on -
(1) Fixed-wing aircraft, must be at least 12 inches high, except that:
(i) An aircraft displaying marks at least 2 inches high before November 1,
1981 and an aircraft manufactured after November 2, 1981, but before January
1, 1983, may display those marks until the aircraft is repainted or the
marks are repainted, restored, or changed;
(ii) Marks at least 3 inches high may be displayed on a glider;

(iii) Marks at least 3 inches high may be displayed on an aircraft for which
an experimental certificate has been issued under 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for
operating as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft when the
maximum cruising speed of the aircraft does not exceed 180 knots CAS; and

(iv) Marks may be displayed on an exhibition, antique, or other aircraft in
accordance with 45.22.
(2) Airships, spherical balloons, and nonspherical balloons, must be at
least 3 inches high; and
(3) Rotorcraft, must be at least 12 inches high, except that rotorcraft
displaying before April 18, 1983, marks required by 45.29(b)(3) in effect on
April 17, 1983, and rotorcraft manufactured on or after April 18, 1983, but
before December 31, 1983, may display those marks until the aircraft is
repainted or the marks are repainted, restored, or changed.
(c) Width. Characters must be two-thirds as wide as they are high, except
the number "1", which must be one-sixth as wide as it is high, and the
letters "M" and "W" which may be as wide as they are high.
(d) Thickness. Characters must be formed by solid lines one-sixth as thick
as the character is high.
(e) Spacing. The space between each character may not be less than
one-fourth of the character width.
(f) If either one of the surfaces authorized for displaying required marks
under 45.25 is large enough for display of marks meeting the size
requirements of this section and the other is not, full-size marks shall be
placed on the larger surface. If neither surface is large enough for
full-size marks, marks as large as practicable shall be displayed on the
larger of the two surfaces. If any surface authorized to be marked by 45.27
is not large enough for full-size marks, marks as large as practicable shall
be placed on the largest of the authorized surfaces.
(g) Uniformity. The marks required by this part for fixed-wing aircraft must
have the same height, width, thickness, and spacing on both sides of the
aircraft.
(h) After March 7, 1988, each operator of an aircraft penetrating an ADIZ or
DEWIZ shall display on that aircraft temporary or permanent nationality and
registration marks at least 12 inches high.

Section iii is for you. Unless you intend to fly a ADIZ or DEWIZ then if
your cruising speed is 180 KNOTS CAS you can use the 3". Note! Canada
doesn't count.

KB

Again, you DO clearly need current IFR charts --

Although I can't imagine setting off on an IFR flight without a
current IFR chart, it is not requried to have ANY chart on an IFR
flight! If you get to your destination without a problem fine.

If you cause a problem, though, you'll have some explaining to do.

vince norris

vincent p. norris wrote in
:

Again, you DO clearly need current IFR charts --

Although I can't imagine setting off on an IFR flight without a
current IFR chart, it is not requried to have ANY chart on an IFR
flight! If you get to your destination without a problem fine.

If you cause a problem, though, you'll have some explaining to do.

vince norris

Except taht if you cause a problem, whether the chart is current or not is
not going to make any difference.

If you cause a problem, though, you'll have some explaining to do.

That reminds me of what my flight instructor said on the subject of
whether the FAA actually requires a certificated pilot or mechanic at
the controls when you are propping a plane: "Dan, there are a whole
lot of reasons why you would not want this to become an issue."


all the best -- Dan Ford
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