Scary Icing ATC tape

Nathan Young writes:

Was it just me, or was the controller excessively blase about the
Mayday call?

Being calm and collected is a lot safer than yelling and screaming.
The controller was doing his job. Additionally, the pilot said very
little that would allow ATC to do anything. ATC cannot prevent the
aircraft from icing up, and cannot control the aircraft remotely. She
called a mayday but there really wasn't anything to request from ATC.
Apparently she just wanted to talk to someone.

What would you have the controller do?

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It's easy to criticize the behavior of another person, especially when you
were not placed in the same situation. How anyone would react under similar
circumstances could depend on a lot of factors.

Viperdoc writes:

It's easy to criticize the behavior of another person, especially when you
were not placed in the same situation. How anyone would react under similar
circumstances could depend on a lot of factors.

If the behavior gets that person killed, it probably merits a bit of
criticism.

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That's easy to say if you've never been in a similar situation.

On Sat, 03 Feb 2007 04:48:10 GMT, Nathan Young
wrote:


Was it just me, or was the controller excessively blase about the
Mayday call?


That thought crossed my mind, too. However, I realize that time
compression may have amplified my impression. On the other hand, he's
like the first cop on the scene who has to say "nothing to see here
folks", and try to keep / restore order, even though he KNOWS there's
a mess.

He did quickly provide her with the options of a nearby airport,
freezing level, and groundspeed data. I think his even tone was a
plus. I remember the recording on Jay's site of the guy flipping and
spinning a piston single in the clouds. The controller's calm was
staggering, and I think it helps the pilot.

The way I look at it, it's stressful for anybody to hear those
transmissions, including other pilots, who provided a PIREP and asked
later about her.

We only have the sound of voices to base our Monday morning
quarterbacking on. We can say what we want, and it's not the
controller who crashes, blah, blah, blah... I believe everyone on
that frequency had a raised pulse, and he's got to keep everything
else in order at the same time.

I did find it weird that when he pointed out more, possibly freezing,
rain ahead, and that she's flying @ in 0C air, she didn't seem that
interested.

B A R R Y writes:

I did find it weird that when he pointed out more, possibly freezing,
rain ahead, and that she's flying @ in 0C air, she didn't seem that
interested.

She seemed a bit clueless. He mentions icing regularly and suggests
possible solutions, but she doesn't appear to hear him, and doesn't
seem to understand what the possible cause of her problem is herself.

I'm glad she wasn't carrying passengers.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
...
She seemed a bit clueless. He mentions icing regularly and suggests
possible solutions, but she doesn't appear to hear him, and doesn't
seem to understand what the possible cause of her problem is herself.
...

I wouldn't normally do this, but...

HELLO - ANTHONY!!!!

WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK CLEARED THE ICE WITH THE BOOTS AND HEAT??? THE
CONTROLLER?????

You have gone ON AND ON claiming that she didn't understand that there was
ice - I have to conclude that you A) didn't listen to the tape or B) DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SAID- _WERE_ _YOU_ _PAYING_ _ATTENTION_???????

SHE CLEARLY DETERMINED THAT SHE HAD ICE. IF YOU HAD LISTENED TO THE TAPE
YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD HER _C_L_E_A_R_L_Y_ SAY THAT SHE HAD TURNED ON THE
BOOTS AND HEAT AND WAS ABLE TO REGAIN CONTROL!!!!

BOOTS AND HEAT - BOOTS AND HEAT - BOOTS AND HEAT - DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT
MEANS?

AM I MAKING MYSELF CLEAR? DO YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH? SHE SAID SHE KNEW SHE
HAD ICE. AND! SHE! DID! SOMETHING! ABOUT! IT!!! BOOTS! AND! HEAT!!!!!!

hellLLLLOOOoooo PAY ATTENTION DUDE!!!!

There. Now I feel better.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress
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On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:25:16 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea
Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
.. .
...
She seemed a bit clueless. He mentions icing regularly and suggests
possible solutions, but she doesn't appear to hear him, and doesn't
seem to understand what the possible cause of her problem is herself.
...

I wouldn't normally do this, but...

HELLO - ANTHONY!!!!

WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK CLEARED THE ICE WITH THE BOOTS AND HEAT??? THE
CONTROLLER?????

You have gone ON AND ON claiming that she didn't understand that there was
ice - I have to conclude that you A) didn't listen to the tape or B) DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SAID- _WERE_ _YOU_ _PAYING_ _ATTENTION_???????

SHE CLEARLY DETERMINED THAT SHE HAD ICE. IF YOU HAD LISTENED TO THE TAPE
YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD HER _C_L_E_A_R_L_Y_ SAY THAT SHE HAD TURNED ON THE
BOOTS AND HEAT AND WAS ABLE TO REGAIN CONTROL!!!!

BOOTS AND HEAT - BOOTS AND HEAT - BOOTS AND HEAT - DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT
MEANS?

AM I MAKING MYSELF CLEAR? DO YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH? SHE SAID SHE KNEW SHE
HAD ICE. AND! SHE! DID! SOMETHING! ABOUT! IT!!! BOOTS! AND! HEAT!!!!!!

hellLLLLOOOoooo PAY ATTENTION DUDE!!!!

There. Now I feel better.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress
--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.


what are boots
Daveb

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
...

She seemed a bit clueless. He mentions icing regularly and suggests
possible solutions, but she doesn't appear to hear him, and doesn't
seem to understand what the possible cause of her problem is herself.

...

I wouldn't normally do this, but...

HELLO - ANTHONY!!!!

WHO THE **** DO YOU THINK CLEARED THE ICE WITH THE BOOTS AND HEAT??? THE
CONTROLLER?????

You have gone ON AND ON claiming that she didn't understand that there was
ice - I have to conclude that you A) didn't listen to the tape or B) DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SAID- _WERE_ _YOU_ _PAYING_ _ATTENTION_???????

SHE CLEARLY DETERMINED THAT SHE HAD ICE. IF YOU HAD LISTENED TO THE TAPE
YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD HER _C_L_E_A_R_L_Y_ SAY THAT SHE HAD TURNED ON THE
BOOTS AND HEAT AND WAS ABLE TO REGAIN CONTROL!!!!

BOOTS AND HEAT - BOOTS AND HEAT - BOOTS AND HEAT - DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT
MEANS?

AM I MAKING MYSELF CLEAR? DO YOU UNDERSTAND ENGLISH? SHE SAID SHE KNEW SHE
HAD ICE. AND! SHE! DID! SOMETHING! ABOUT! IT!!! BOOTS! AND! HEAT!!!!!!

hellLLLLOOOoooo PAY ATTENTION DUDE!!!!

There. Now I feel better.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress
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Is the Ritalin running low? :-)

Matt

On 2/3/2007 7:41:13 AM, B A R R Y wrote:


I did find it weird that when he pointed out more, possibly freezing,
rain ahead, and that she's flying @ in 0C air, she didn't seem that
interested.

I recall the conditions that night as it was over Buffalo, NY, a city to
which I commute weekly via my Bonanza V35.

The controller was wrong in assuming there was freezing rain. Rather, the
precipitation to which he referred was really snow. Her demise was a case of
good old rime icing in the clouds.

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Peter