Stalls??

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"birdog" wrote in
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Here again I am appalled at the comments. Disclosu Old, old
ex-pilot - learned to fly in the '40's.

Did no one ever hear of walking the rudders down? It's a
coordination exercise. Power on, you pull the nose up to about 60
degrees from horizontal and walk the rudders all the way down,
preventing the plane from falling off to eithor side. After years of
flying, I still did 'em just to test my own reaction times. When
learning, it was also great practice in spin recovery, too.

Man, am I outdated! A 40 hour freshly licensed pilot with a fear of
stalls was unknown in my day.


Yep. also called a falling leaf. I taugth them as did the guys I
learned from .


Bertie

The falling leaf is fun, and a great exercise in picking up a dropping
wing. I like to do them along a road to maintain heading.


Yeah. I don't think many people do them these days, though. Dutch rolls
seem to have fallen by the wayside as well.


Bertie

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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com wrote in
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Blueskies wrote:
Every flight in a light GA single should end in a full
stall...right
as the wheels roll on to the runway...Unless folks know how to
handle
the plane in a stall, they will not learn to land correctly (I
know
this will start the flames!)
I had just started with a Part 135 cargo outfit and was doing the
initial training in a C-402. The check airman asked me for a
stall.
I gave him a stall. I thought he and the other new hire were
going
to
****.

"Didn't you understand I wanted a stall? Give me another."

So I did. Just like before, the plane got pretty mushy and then
it
broke cleanly. Once again, I thought they were going to ****.
They
were visibly uncomfortable and I had no clue why.

Finally the check airman said, "When I ask for a stall, I expect
you
to recover before it actually breaks."

"Well, why didn't you just say you wanted an 'approach to a
stall'",
I
asked. "What's the problem with doing a full stall in the 402?"

"We hever do full stalls in a twin", he said. The other guy
agreed.
I can't see any reason why you couldn't either. Did they pass you
BTW?


Bertie

In my multi-engine check ride (in a Baron B55), when I did the
requested
stall, the left wing dropped quite suddenly, and for a nano-second I
thought that we would end-up in a spin. It's been a while, but I
seem
to remember that we were not that high either. In fact, the
evaluator
complimented me on the recovery, adding that if I had not recovered
it
right at the start, we would not have had time to do so. That was
quite
a scary moment. Even scarier, in all the practices I had done, I
had
never experienced such behavior.


Well, a real good reason for getting familiar in more docile
airplanes,
eh?


Bertie

Yep, luckily spin training was part of the curriculum when I was
getting
my PPL and commercial licenses.

Part of your school's curriculum, obviously! Unless you;re very very old
and got a BE23 back in time.


In fact, spin practices in the school
Beech Sundowner where a lot of fun, some of my best memories from the
training.


Yeah, I never really liked doing them all that much, especially when
someone else is doing them, but they really are essential learning.



Bertie

"Ol Shy & Bashful" wrote in message


Why is it so many pilots are afraid of stalls? I see it over an over
when doing flight reviews and checks. Why are pilots so afraid of
flying in the low end of the speed envelope?

It's more difficult, you have to actually remember to step on the ball, and
the view sucks. :

I think mainly it's because they're taught to avoid the dreaded stall.
Maybe like why some people fear driving on ice and other people can't wait
to go do cookies in a frozen parking lot.

-c

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Private" wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"birdog" wrote in
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Here again I am appalled at the comments. Disclosu Old, old
ex-pilot - learned to fly in the '40's.

Did no one ever hear of walking the rudders down? It's a
coordination exercise. Power on, you pull the nose up to about 60
degrees from horizontal and walk the rudders all the way down,
preventing the plane from falling off to eithor side. After years of
flying, I still did 'em just to test my own reaction times. When
learning, it was also great practice in spin recovery, too.

Man, am I outdated! A 40 hour freshly licensed pilot with a fear of
stalls was unknown in my day.


Yep. also called a falling leaf. I taugth them as did the guys I
learned from .


Bertie

The falling leaf is fun, and a great exercise in picking up a dropping
wing. I like to do them along a road to maintain heading.


Yeah. I don't think many people do them these days, though. Dutch rolls
seem to have fallen by the wayside as well.


Bertie

My acro instructor (sadly gone west last year, (non aviation cause)) had me
do Dutch rolls as a coordination and warm-up exercise all the way to the
practice area on every flight.

Happy landings,

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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Private" wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"birdog" wrote in
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Here again I am appalled at the comments. Disclosu Old, old
ex-pilot - learned to fly in the '40's.

Did no one ever hear of walking the rudders down? It's a
coordination exercise. Power on, you pull the nose up to about 60
degrees from horizontal and walk the rudders all the way down,
preventing the plane from falling off to eithor side. After years
of flying, I still did 'em just to test my own reaction times.
When learning, it was also great practice in spin recovery, too.

Man, am I outdated! A 40 hour freshly licensed pilot with a fear
of stalls was unknown in my day.


Yep. also called a falling leaf. I taugth them as did the guys I
learned from .


Bertie

The falling leaf is fun, and a great exercise in picking up a
dropping wing. I like to do them along a road to maintain heading.


Yeah. I don't think many people do them these days, though. Dutch
rolls seem to have fallen by the wayside as well.


Bertie

My acro instructor (sadly gone west last year, (non aviation cause))
had me do Dutch rolls as a coordination and warm-up exercise all the
way to the practice area on every flight.


Another one thats murder on the instructor if they're not done right!


Bertie

On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:51:51 -0500, birdog wrote:

Did no one ever hear of walking the rudders down? It's a coordination
exercise. Power on, you pull the nose up to about 60 degrees from horizontal
and walk the rudders all the way down, preventing the plane from falling off
to eithor side.

Am I misunderstanding something? Isn't that still the standard way to
teach a stall? I was taught to maintain my heading during the approach to
the stall and after the stall by using the rudders to keep the wings level.

I'm not sure how you keep your heading within the PTS during a stall
without dancing on the rudders.



--
Dallas

Dallas wrote in
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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:51:51 -0500, birdog wrote:

Did no one ever hear of walking the rudders down? It's a coordination
exercise. Power on, you pull the nose up to about 60 degrees from
horizontal and walk the rudders all the way down, preventing the
plane from falling off to eithor side.

Am I misunderstanding something? Isn't that still the standard way to
teach a stall? I was taught to maintain my heading during the
approach to the stall and after the stall by using the rudders to keep
the wings level.

I'm not sure how you keep your heading within the PTS during a stall
without dancing on the rudders.



He's talking about ding a falling leaf. You don't pull the nose up to 60
degrees to do it though. You just start a spin entry, then stop it,
allowing the airplane to begin an entry in the oppostie direction, stop
that one and so on until you run out of altitude.
It's an excellent exercise..


Bertie

On Feb 15, 3:49*am, "Neil Gould" wrote:
Recently, posted:

Every flight in a light GA single should end in a full stall...right
as the wheels roll on to the runway...Unless folks know how to
handle the plane in a stall, they will not learn to land correctly
(I know this will start the flames!)-

That's a sweet ending, though -- flames or not -- especially when the
stall horn blows and the wheels just start turning.

Yeah baby!

Curious... in the Cessnas and Pipers that I fly the stall horn blows at
least 5 kts before the stall. So, when the stall horn is blowing and the
wheels touch down, the plane is still flying.


True, and that's usually just the first warning tone. I've said it
before but you can't get second tone in a 172 with wheels on the
ground without the tail touching... but we've thrashed this out
before. The problem, as I see it, is that aiming to land in a stalled
condition everything had better be perfect as you have no reserves.
You can't lift a wing if your x-wind control is a bit off or pull
back if a wind shadow hits -never mind the round out being close to
stall with crossed controls in a xwind ...

I'l just resign myself to trying to be always ~5k above the stall and
not being as "impressive" a pilot as I might be. Strangely, I've
noticed that I'm below POH distances for short field landings despite
my shortcomings as a pilot and failure to stall during landing.

Cheers

On Feb 15, 4:11*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


If you're flying a Luscombe and afraid of stalls, please stop flying it.
Far too many have been wrecked already.


I don't understand this, are you saying that they stall all the time -
please explain?

Cheers

WingFlaps wrote in news:b0142804-b73a-49e9-8670-
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On Feb 15, 4:11*am, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:


If you're flying a Luscombe and afraid of stalls, please stop flying it.
Far too many have been wrecked already.


I don't understand this, are you saying that they stall all the time -
please explain?

No, but the stall, while not violent, is not as wussy as a 150 or
cherokee's stall. It's one of the easiest to spin light airplanes ever (
it's stall-spin accident rate is ferocious) and it's approach speed is
neccesarily fairly low so as to avoid floating. It's a wonderful airplane.
I've owned three. But it is not an airplane that suffers fools gladly. And
anyone who flies one and shies away form stalling it because it makes him
uncomfortable is a future statistic. You have to know every way that
airplane can enter a spin and what every type of stall looks and feels like
or you are not safe to fly it.


Bertie