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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:38:02 GMT, John Theune
wrote: Jon A wrote: On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:33:24 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: "Jon A" wrote in message ... Unions are there to protect the working class from unfair management practices, which unfortunately shows their true colors. What unfair management practices? Ones that would be allowed to proliferate if no unions were present. How about 14 hour work days with no breaks for starters? I really don't believe that someone who is as learned as you appear to be would ask that question. Check a history book if you want to know more. Which has been turned into law, so the need for unions to enforce this has pretty much gone away. What has not gone away is the ability for unions to backmail companies into agreeing to contracts that cripple their ability to compete. Unions played a important role in the creation of fair labor laws to protect workers but the need for them in that role has passed and now they are hurting the workers more then helping them as a company that goes out of business employs no one. Sounds like a pure republican talking. |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:33:10 GMT, "sfb" wrote:
Aren't you ignoring that part of history where the Federal and many states enacted labor laws? The unions aren't the only protection the employee has. Overtime after forty hours is a Federal Law. Another republican! |
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:44:15 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote: "Jon A" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:32:13 -0400, Bob Noel wrote: In article , Jon A wrote: Unions are there to protect the working class true. What prevents unions from abusing the workers or the company? Unfortunately, the workers themselves must hold the union management to task. Doesn't work in some instances which seems to be a commonality within the human race - - - greed! Millions and millions of jobs have left this country due to union mis-management and greed. For some reason the unions don't mention that fact. Greed on whose part? Are you saying you'll pay $75 for your shirts rather than $4.99 at Wal Mart? We're all in the same boat, bunky. Management's job is to find ways to make this work. |
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"Jon A" wrote in message ... Ones that would be allowed to proliferate if no unions were present. How about 14 hour work days with no breaks for starters? Are you saying that without unions we'd have 14 hour work days with no breaks? Even if that was so, how would it be unfair? I really don't believe that someone who is as learned as you appear to be would ask that question. How else can I know what you believe are unfair management practices? Check a history book if you want to know more. Do you know of any history books that agree with your position? |
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"Jon A" wrote in message ... Another republican! Are you using "republican" as a synonym of "informed"? You seem to be. |
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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in message ... "Matt Barrow" wrote in message ... Look further and you will find a once great airline that was more or less taken over by hotel people and run into the ground. Also notice that huge (then) golden parachute that one CEO got when they let him go. Also notice how they raided the IAM employees overfunded pension fund for cash to buy another hotel chain. ...and on and on and on. Proctor and Gamble runs airlines and hotel chains? For Christ sake, the subject is (was) UAL! Pay attention. But thanks anyway for the good lead in to something that has had me ****ed for over 20 years. Pay attention yourself; the issue under discussion is HOW the situation came about. If you can't handle abstractions (that decidedly and distinctive human characteristic) then start a sub-thread. Also, how long has it been since the union owned UAL? |
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"Jon A" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:33:10 GMT, "sfb" wrote: Aren't you ignoring that part of history where the Federal and many states enacted labor laws? The unions aren't the only protection the employee has. Overtime after forty hours is a Federal Law. Another republican! Thank goodness!! |
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"Jon A" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:44:15 GMT, "Dave Stadt" wrote: "Jon A" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:32:13 -0400, Bob Noel wrote: In article , Jon A wrote: Unions are there to protect the working class true. What prevents unions from abusing the workers or the company? Unfortunately, the workers themselves must hold the union management to task. Doesn't work in some instances which seems to be a commonality within the human race - - - greed! Millions and millions of jobs have left this country due to union mis-management and greed. For some reason the unions don't mention that fact. Greed on whose part? Are you saying you'll pay $75 for your shirts rather than $4.99 at Wal Mart? We're all in the same boat, bunky. Management's job is to find ways to make this work. I believe I said greed on the part of unions. And the solution is to move union manufacturing jobs out of country. Take a look at union membership numbers for the past 30 years. |
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Unions are there to protect the working class Like teachers? -- Matt --------------------- Matthew W. Barrow Site-Fill Homes, LLC. Montrose, CO |
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Jon A wrote:
On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:38:02 GMT, John Theune wrote: Jon A wrote: On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:33:24 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: "Jon A" wrote in message m... Unions are there to protect the working class from unfair management practices, which unfortunately shows their true colors. What unfair management practices? Ones that would be allowed to proliferate if no unions were present. How about 14 hour work days with no breaks for starters? I really don't believe that someone who is as learned as you appear to be would ask that question. Check a history book if you want to know more. Which has been turned into law, so the need for unions to enforce this has pretty much gone away. What has not gone away is the ability for unions to backmail companies into agreeing to contracts that cripple their ability to compete. Unions played a important role in the creation of fair labor laws to protect workers but the need for them in that role has passed and now they are hurting the workers more then helping them as a company that goes out of business employs no one. Sounds like a pure republican talking. You make it sounds like a bad thing, while I think it's a good thing. If you would like to rubute my post feel free to, but assigning a political label to me does not advance the discussion one bit. John |
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