EPA update

Yeah. I was thinking in realtor terms because i was responding to Steve
Foley....

Skylune out.

I thought it was Statute feet rather than nautical feet.


"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Yeah. I was thinking in realtor terms because i was responding to Steve
Foley....

Skylune out.

Steve: A serious question for you as a GA aviator. Since a runway
lengthening from 5,000 feet to 5,500 or 6,000 is not necessary for any
normal GA operations, wouldn't that mean the airport is trying to attract
the Net Jet crowd and the other fractional jet ownerships? That would be
my guess. Rumor around town has it that they have their eyes on Fed Ex
because the costs at BED are much higher (landing fees, fuel, etc....)

If I'm correct, wouldn't that expansion actually harm the GA pilot
community that currently hangars their planes at the airport? Maybe the
GA pilots don't want the lengthening either?

Just wondering....

Check the relatives too, steve! And what I meant was, use your realtor
knowledge to check other holdings, in other states. Check how close one
is to other busy GA airports (hint: use Suffolk County in your deed
search). Never a problem at FRG, never a complaint from me. And I live
somewhat closer to that airport than I do at the one in NH. See, they
take noise abatement and neighborhood complaints seriously. They try to
be good neighbors.

Anyway, the NH one may go because the area has gotten really noisy over
the past several years, and I don't want to retire there and deal with it.
Problem, where to go in the northeast? Other groups near you are having a
massive legal battle, as you know....

Pretty damned pathetic, but predictable. "Other" skeletons? You must mean
besides my admitting to driving faster than the 55 mph limit. We have had
RE holdings in two states for a long time.

As far as it feeling good ****ing off your detractors, I can definitely
relate..

I'm not sure who the 'Net Jet' crowd is. As far as fractionals, I think
they're typically small jets that still don't need 6000 feet. I think you're
looking at attracting airline carriers. I know US Airways was there in 96
when I landed there.

Expansion wouldn't hurt GA. A short delay for wake turbulance is a small
price to pay for commercial aircraft paying most of the expenses. It's kinda
like motorcycles using the highway system. They certainly don't need six
lane highways, but it's nice to be able to cruise to Disney along 95 rather
than Route 1.

Now some questions for you:

What is your goal?

Are you trying to eliminate the cowboys? General Aviation? All Aviation?

What would make you happy?

You earlier stated (correct me if I am mis-stating your position) that you
really wanted minimum altitudes and noise abatement procedured enforced, but
because that isn't being done, you are going after everything aviation.



"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Steve: A serious question for you as a GA aviator. Since a runway
lengthening from 5,000 feet to 5,500 or 6,000 is not necessary for any
normal GA operations, wouldn't that mean the airport is trying to attract
the Net Jet crowd and the other fractional jet ownerships? That would be
my guess. Rumor around town has it that they have their eyes on Fed Ex
because the costs at BED are much higher (landing fees, fuel, etc....)

If I'm correct, wouldn't that expansion actually harm the GA pilot
community that currently hangars their planes at the airport? Maybe the
GA pilots don't want the lengthening either?

Just wondering....

Where else in the Northeast? Try Worcester. They've never had a commercial
carrier there over three years.

I find your problems with the airport authority ironic. I've been working
with a local group to get the local airport commission to actually do
something to attract an airline. They say they're doing everything they can,
and to butt out.


"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Check the relatives too, steve! And what I meant was, use your realtor
knowledge to check other holdings, in other states. Check how close one
is to other busy GA airports (hint: use Suffolk County in your deed
search). Never a problem at FRG, never a complaint from me. And I live
somewhat closer to that airport than I do at the one in NH. See, they
take noise abatement and neighborhood complaints seriously. They try to
be good neighbors.

Anyway, the NH one may go because the area has gotten really noisy over
the past several years, and I don't want to retire there and deal with it.
Problem, where to go in the northeast? Other groups near you are having
a
massive legal battle, as you know....

"Steve Foley" wrote

That would be counterproductive. He would then have a legitimate complaint
regarding airplane noise.

I know, and would never do that, but not because of him, but his neighbors.
It would feel good to **** him off, all while being perfectly legal, though.
g

I think you are right, about what other skeletons in his closet. Perhaps
some pilot out there with deep pockets would like to hire a P.I. to dig up
some dirt on him?
--
Jim in NC
--
Jim in NC

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:40:25 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote in
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I'm not sure who the 'Net Jet' crowd is.

http://www.netjets.com/default.asp
Typically up-scale first class travelers who don't want to endure the
airline security gauntlet.

Yeah, commerical carriers, that makes sense...

Funny how they give two bogus public presentations (click on their web
page) where they portray the runway extension option and the second runway
option as "improvements" and only for "safety purposes." They are
blatently lying to us, and holding the public meetings (run by the paid
airport consultant) only so they can check off the box on the grant
approval form to get the 95% FAA grant from the AIP. I'm trying to fight
them.

This (my anti GA ranting) all happened kind of incrementally over the past
two years. We've had property up here for years; always some airplane
noise, but not like today. So, last year, after I moved up here
semi-fulltime, I phoned in about a couple of really low, loud fliers when
we were having a barbecue in my backyard. I left a polite message on the
airport's VMM, and I got a return call from some woman with a really bad
attitude. OK, so I got dissed by some stupid staff person.... No big
deal. Then it happens again, and again. One time, the airport mgr
actually called me back and was very reasonable, but then he gave me the
bum rush -- said he would post a notice on the website about flying
friendly. He did nothing. Zero. Just kept the same old voluntary noise
abatement procedures posted, the ones that many ignore routinely, the ones
that have been there for years... So I concluded no sense in wasting a
call to those people any longer. Alternatives....

So I call the FAA. Got the bureaucrat treatment when I called their
ridiculous NE noise # (u guys have a handful with those lazy bureaucrats,
that is for sure.)

Then, I notice on the airport web site a public meeting for a so-called
improvement project. Given that I got nowhere with the airport or FAA, I
figure this is my chance. So I did my homework, and off we go.... Went to
the meeting. Asked alot of questions about the purpose of the project,
how they didn't implement the abatement procedures they said they would in
the 1990 part 150 study, etc.

I was not a popular guy there with the guys with the worn, brown leather
jackets, or the hired gun consultant with the Ann Taylor outfit(although
she tried to remain very smooth.....), or the airport manager, etc. The
other noise victims, mostly elderly people, got encouraged though and also
started asking questions after I listened for half an hour and started
questioning.

I kept doing homework. Pilot friend of mine on LI (the guy I have to keep
showing how to operate the GPS....) tells me about AOPA, etc. I did some
flying years back at FRG, but quit. Not enough time with work, family,
etc. So I know a bit already. Start "trolling' on these kinds of boards
for a few months, just picking up the pilot talk. Reading the FARs,
reading AV web, i-Pilot, etc. And here we are, exchanging insults and
making vague threats....

What do I want? To live and let live. Fly friendly. That is all. No
one asks for silence. I have a boat: it makes noise, it burns gas. But I
can operate it obnoxiously (and plenty do), or courteously. Pilots have
the same choice. But, given that they can operate anymously, i think
there is a higher A-hole percentage than with car drivers or boaters. And
their seems to be some serious ego issues with some of the flyers, judging
by how you go after each other on this board.

You are right about my real agenda: excessive noise. The tax subsidies I
pay are just adding insult to injury, but are not the main issue. Neither
is air or water pollution.

Anyway, this is now counterproductive. The AV gas prices will force less
discretionary flying, driving, and boating. If the noise doesn't let up
here, I will retire elsewhere. Probably up in VT in a narrow valley
(Quechee area is nice). No way the planes can choose that as a practice
area.

Anyway, good luck Steve. I think you are probably a responsible flyer.
If I'm right, and 95% shared your attitude, there would definitely be less
anti GA activism around the country.