Question to the IFR Pilots Out There

In article , "Cecil E.
Chapman" wrote:

I'm not surprised at all. I remember reading an AOPA magazine article
mentioning the very same thing. While a few replies to my original
thread
didn't seem to think it was an issue that one only had hood time - my
limited experience with real IMC begs me to differ. As you said, with
the
hood or foggles on you are still aware of a peripheral 'outside', however
when you are in real IMC the experience is quite different, especially
seeing the quick movement of the cloud texture past your side windows in
your peripheral view.

another fun aspect of IMC is needing to transition from looking
outside to looking inside to looking outside to looking inside
as you fly in and out of the clouds. Hard to simulate.

--
Bob Noel

Bob Noel wrote:
another fun aspect of IMC is needing to transition from looking
outside to looking inside to looking outside to looking inside
as you fly in and out of the clouds. Hard to simulate.

Sometime flying IFR in VMC can be more difficult. In VMC, you now have to
look outside about 90% of the time, while in the clouds you could devote
100% of your time inside. When I flew with a friend of mine soon after
getting his IR, I had to ensure that he looked outside when outside a
cloud - definitely higher workload. Unfortunately, this is something the
hood cannot simulate, and in fact, encourages the bad habit.

Hilton

"Hilton" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bob Noel wrote:
another fun aspect of IMC is needing to transition from looking
outside to looking inside to looking outside to looking inside
as you fly in and out of the clouds. Hard to simulate.

Sometime flying IFR in VMC can be more difficult. In VMC, you now have to
look outside about 90% of the time, while in the clouds you could devote
100% of your time inside. When I flew with a friend of mine soon after
getting his IR, I had to ensure that he looked outside when outside a
cloud - definitely higher workload. Unfortunately, this is something the
hood cannot simulate, and in fact, encourages the bad habit.


Also, VFR on top can be quite deceiving if the cloud tops are not flat, but
rather sloped instead.

I had 2 hours of actual before I got my ticket, reason was my instructor had me
stay in the clouds for the entire flight one time, when we got out of the
clouds, he would tell me to ask for a different altitude so we could get back in
them.

Now that I have my ticket, I file IFR all the time, but the amount of time being
only on instruments is next to none and the only time you can log as actual is
that time when your navigating on instruments only. For the most part, its hard
to stay in the clouds, the only time I am in actual is when taking off or
landing so its only a few minutes. once your above the clouds your not in
instruments anymore.

"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote:

For those of you who have your instrument ticket, how many hours of actual
IMC did you have when you got your ticket.

At approx 40 hours of instrument time I have a 'whopping' .9 hours of ACTUAL
IMC... I sincerely hope I'm going to get to see a lot more before I get my
instrument ticket - which I'm guessing should be around April or May at the
latest.

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Good Flights!

Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
PP-ASEL

"We who fly do so for the love of flying.
We are alive in the air with this miracle
that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"

- Cecil Day Lewis-

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I think some people tend to log actual when they are not suppose to.
How often do you stay in the clouds? once you can see again, your not in actual
and cant log it.

"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote:

For those of you who have your instrument ticket, how many hours of actual
IMC did you have when you got your ticket.

At approx 40 hours of instrument time I have a 'whopping' .9 hours of ACTUAL
IMC... I sincerely hope I'm going to get to see a lot more before I get my
instrument ticket - which I'm guessing should be around April or May at the
latest.

--
--
Good Flights!

Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
PP-ASEL

"We who fly do so for the love of flying.
We are alive in the air with this miracle
that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"

- Cecil Day Lewis-

Check out my personal flying adventures: www.bayareapilot.com

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
I think some people tend to log actual when they are not suppose to.
How often do you stay in the clouds? once you can see again, your not in
actual
and cant log it.


"In clouds" only, or in the clear (VFR) "on top"? Both are flight without
reference to ground or other cues. Kinda ambiguous, huh?

if your on top, you still have a horizon, you can fly legal VFR over the top,
without seeing the ground. But for VFR, you need a clear spot to decend through.
For instruments, you can decend through the cloud, at that point your solely on
instruments and you can log that portion of it.
requirements are to be solely on instruments for it to be logged as actual.

Jeff

"Tom S." wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
I think some people tend to log actual when they are not suppose to.
How often do you stay in the clouds? once you can see again, your not in
actual
and cant log it.


"In clouds" only, or in the clear (VFR) "on top"? Both are flight without
reference to ground or other cues. Kinda ambiguous, huh?

"Jeff" wrote in message ...
if your on top, you still have a horizon, you can fly legal VFR over the
top,
without seeing the ground. But for VFR, you need a clear spot to decend
through.
For instruments, you can decend through the cloud, at that point your
solely on
instruments and you can log that portion of it.

Yes, I know.

requirements are to be solely on instruments for it to be logged as
actual.

Jeff

See my other post about deceiving cloud tops. (not flat).


"Tom S." wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
I think some people tend to log actual when they are not suppose to.
How often do you stay in the clouds? once you can see again, your not
in
actual
and cant log it.


"In clouds" only, or in the clear (VFR) "on top"? Both are flight
without
reference to ground or other cues. Kinda ambiguous, huh?

Just read it, thats the good thing about auto pilots, they keep you nice and
level and on course. I consider my auto pilot one of the most important things
in my plane.

You know, I think some night flying should be considered actual IFR for the fact
that while flying at night you do (I do) most of your flying by the instruments.

"Tom S." wrote:

See my other post about deceiving cloud tops. (not flat).

the instrument ticket is priceless, 2 days ago I took my plane up for the first
time in a month (it had been in the shop getting new avionics installed)
went only about 40 miles out to the MMM VOR, when I turned around to head back,
the city was covered by low clouds and what looked like fog on the ground, I
thought I could go under it, but as I got closer it did not look do'able.

I was talking to nellis approach because I was entering class B, told them I
didnt think I could make it in without a clearence, they gave it to me and away
I went.
technically, it was not VFR, I did not actually go through any clouds, but I
skimmed them so I could not log it as actual. but once below the layer and I was
able to see the airport, I canceled IFR and did the visual approach.

You can see the las vegas valley in this picture and the fog, kinda sucked I
couldnt login as actual even tho it was not VFR.
http://216.158.136.206/newplane/clouds/image3.html

Here is the cloud I almost got to fly through
http://216.158.136.206/newplane/clouds/image2.html


Jeff

"Cecil E. Chapman" wrote:

For those of you who have your instrument ticket, how many hours of actual
IMC did you have when you got your ticket.

At approx 40 hours of instrument time I have a 'whopping' .9 hours of ACTUAL
IMC... I sincerely hope I'm going to get to see a lot more before I get my
instrument ticket - which I'm guessing should be around April or May at the
latest.

--
--
Good Flights!

Cecil E. Chapman, Jr.
PP-ASEL

"We who fly do so for the love of flying.
We are alive in the air with this miracle
that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"

- Cecil Day Lewis-

Check out my personal flying adventures: www.bayareapilot.com