RNAV vectors

Stan Prevost wrote:



The full rule (almost) is given in 7110.65R, excerpted below. As to policy
for what goes on the scope, I have no idea. I have been told that it is
decided locally for each facility.

They can hide their heads in the sand and pretend that vectors are given
only to ILS approaches, but it is everyday practice for vectors to be given
to NPAs also.


I used to be vectored onto the VOR approach at my local G/A airport a
whole lot. But, that has all changed. Now, it is direct-to the VOR and
kicked loose.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Any point on the final approach course. One of the 480 "DIRECT" modes
is to set a course to/from an the thing you are going "DIRECT" to.
It's one of the options along with "enter a holding pattern at that
point". You're prompted for the course.


Is that a universal feature on IFR approach GPS?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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Any point on the final approach course. One of the 480 "DIRECT" modes
is to set a course to/from an the thing you are going "DIRECT" to.
It's one of the options along with "enter a holding pattern at that
point". You're prompted for the course.


Is that a universal feature on IFR approach GPS?


It is a feature of the Garmin GNS 430/530/480. Don't know about Kings, am
pretty sure the Northstar M3 could do it. I don't think it is a requirement
of the TSOs, but I can't say for sure since I don't have a copy of the TSOs
with the referenced documents.

But any competent IFR pilot can track to any waypoint on any specified
course using bearing information, just like tracking a NDB bearing with an
ADF.

"Sam Spade" wrote in message
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Stan Prevost wrote:



On the GNS430, Direct-To provides an opportunity to set the course
to/from the waypoint. Press Direct To, enter the waypoint, press Enter,
move the cursor to the course field, set the course, then press Enter
again.



I just tried that on the 530 trainer and it works the same way. On
relection that might be a better way to go in this hypothetical than using
OBS mode.

Now I remember why I thought OBS was not the best mode. It isn't because it
won't paint the magenta line, because it does; I was off-track on that. It
is because it doesn't autosequence waypoints in OBS mode. Setting the
course in Direct-To does continue autosequencing.

Stan Prevost wrote:


Now I remember why I thought OBS was not the best mode. It isn't because it
won't paint the magenta line, because it does; I was off-track on that. It
is because it doesn't autosequence waypoints in OBS mode. Setting the
course in Direct-To does continue autosequencing.

Exactly, and it is easy to forget.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Any point on the final approach course. One of the 480 "DIRECT" modes
is to set a course to/from an the thing you are going "DIRECT" to.
It's one of the options along with "enter a holding pattern at that
point". You're prompted for the course.


Is that a universal feature on IFR approach GPS?

You cannot do anything like that on my KLN-90B without suspending waypoint
sequencing. That would seem to me to be a barrier to RNAV vectoring to
final for ATC, since the variability of equipment in this respect cannot be
accounted for.

Perhaps that answers my second question.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

Any point on the final approach course. One of the 480 "DIRECT" modes
is to set a course to/from an the thing you are going "DIRECT" to.
It's one of the options along with "enter a holding pattern at that
point". You're prompted for the course.


Is that a universal feature on IFR approach GPS?

You cannot do anything like that on my KLN-90B without suspending waypoint
sequencing. That would seem to me to be a barrier to RNAV vectoring to
final for ATC, since the variability of equipment in this respect cannot
be accounted for.


Can you not use your GPS to navigate to intercept a specified course to a
fix, and track that course, without a line on a moving map? Or without a
CDI? Have you ever flown an NDB approach with an ADF?

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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You cannot do anything like that on my KLN-90B without suspending waypoint
sequencing. That would seem to me to be a barrier to RNAV vectoring to
final for ATC, since the variability of equipment in this respect cannot
be accounted for.


That would seem to suggest there IS something special about vectoring to
final on GPS approaches.

"Stan Prevost" wrote in message
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Can you not use your GPS to navigate to intercept a specified course to a
fix, and track that course, without a line on a moving map? Or without a
CDI? Have you ever flown an NDB approach with an ADF?


Did you ever actually read the question? What experience do you have
vectoring aircraft for approaches?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
k.net...

"Stan Prevost" wrote in message
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Can you not use your GPS to navigate to intercept a specified course to a
fix, and track that course, without a line on a moving map? Or without a
CDI? Have you ever flown an NDB approach with an ADF?


Did you ever actually read the question?

Did you ever actually read the post I responded to? I responded to a
statement, not a question.

Do you understand my response? Do you understand that all these nice design
features of specific GPS boxes that we have been discussing are not
necessary to nagivate to a fix along a specified course? What experience do
you have flying vectors for approaches?

What experience do you have vectoring aircraft for approaches?

None, but I have experience flying them. And I can read.

What does experience have to do with what the rules say about vectors to
approaches?