EPA update

Well, when the last commercial carriers (i think it was US Air) pulled out
a few years back, Worcester airport started having substantial financial
problems. Massport essentially bailed it out. The city was having to
support the airport with some general fund moneys. The airport is still
losing money, and Massport is phasing out its assistance over the next two
or three years. I think the city will need to make some serious decisions
then, unless they can attract more business.

As I understand it, the airport was built as a combined GA/commercial
facility. Commercials business plan was to go to cheaper airport than
Logan, but nearby and convenient to the Boston burbs and all the colleges
in Worcester. Seemed to make sense.

I think there were two problems. 1. The worcester tolerances. As I
understand it, the Worcester area gets some pretty weird wintertime
weather compared to the rest of the state, so there were frequent
closures. 2. No good road network out of the airport. Need to drive
through residential areas.

So the airport got built for commercials/GA, and the commercials pulled
out. Now financial problems. Not exactly rocket science with 20/20
hindsight.

Our problems here are different, but similar. They want to expand to
commercial-- we here its FedEx. Problem: GA airport, located in
residential area, expanding for commercial capability. Some of us are
fighting it.

"Skylune" wrote

If the noise doesn't let up
here, I will retire elsewhere.

Oh, Pleeeeze, go ahead and make that choice, right now. The noise won't
stop. They are doing nothing against the law, so there is NOTHING you can
do, but whine.

Perhaps we can all pitch in, and help with your moving expenses; anything to
stop your endless noise!
--
Jim in NC

In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

Steve: A serious question for you as a GA aviator. Since a runway
lengthening from 5,000 feet to 5,500 or 6,000 is not necessary for any
normal GA operations, wouldn't that mean the airport is trying to attract
the Net Jet crowd and the other fractional jet ownerships? That would be
my guess. Rumor around town has it that they have their eyes on Fed Ex
because the costs at BED are much higher (landing fees, fuel, etc....)

If I'm correct, wouldn't that expansion actually harm the GA pilot
community that currently hangars their planes at the airport? Maybe the
GA pilots don't want the lengthening either?

Just wondering....

In order for the FedEx crowd to use the airport, it would have to be
able to take much higher landing weights than for GA airports.

Does anybody in the kneejerk reaction crowd know what kind of
certificated landing weights are being proposed?

Steve: A serious question for you as a GA aviator. Since a runway
lengthening from 5,000 feet to 5,500 or 6,000 is not necessary for any
normal GA operations, wouldn't that mean the airport is trying to attract
the Net Jet crowd and the other fractional jet ownerships? That would be
my guess. Rumor around town has it that they have their eyes on Fed Ex
because the costs at BED are much higher (landing fees, fuel, etc....)

7,000 feet is considered a transport catagory runway. Look up Part 150
for runway specifications for different aircraft.
What makes you think 5,500 to 6,000 is not necessary for normal GA
aircraft and operations? Just because it isn't a jet doesn't mean there
isn't a requirement for it.
Twins have accellerate/stop distances requirements for aborted takeoffs.
An aircraft landing without brakes would have to roll the full length to
safely slow down.
And on and on. There are many more reasons.

If I'm correct, wouldn't that expansion actually harm the GA pilot
community that currently hangars their planes at the airport? Maybe the
GA pilots don't want the lengthening either?

Why do you think that?

1. I just want the abatement procedures adhered to, not the noise to stop,
as you put it.

2. The noise will decrease due to soaring AV gas prices -- its already
lessened this year.

3. As I've shown, I can do much more than "whine." No one has answered a
single question. You attack me, the messenger. You guys are whining. I
am doing something.

4. People are breaking the FAR 1000 ft minimums. It is a fact. Proving
it is impossible, as you probably know, due to FAA lack of interest.

Anyway, I am suspending my efforts given that AV gas prices are doing the
job. I'm going to keep an eye on things, and continue to monitor. (And
I'll be happy to take your check for liquidated damages.... ;-) )

If the local airport continues to try to pull a fast one, I will be back
with a vengeance Some of the businesses at the airport are actively
encouraging evasion of other states' sales taxes (which should be paid
based upon the state in which the plane is based -- its called a Use tax).
I know who to contact in neighboring states to inform them of the tax
dollars they are losing to these businesses.....

Skylune, over and out.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:20:29 -0400, "Skylune"
wrote:

Ironically, the level of GA traffic seems to have dropped off quite a bit
over the last two years (maybe I can retire to my summer home afterall!).
Maybe the rising cost of AV gas, rising rental costs etc. are taking a toll
(the silver lining in $70/bbl crude)?

Skylune out.

I'm missing something here, did someone promise you that if you
retired to your cabin, wherever that is, that you would never hear an
airplane?

Even mosquitos make noise.

Corky Scott

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:01:15 -0400, "Skylune"
wrote:

I "suspect" you are a fat slob who can't compete in a real sport, and seeks
his thrills by flying a plane. I suspect, based on your stupid
observations that you are also, how shall I say, academically challenged.
I suspect that you bust minimums and buzz peoples homes if you don't get
your way.

Uncalled for. Flying is a vocation like none other and in case you
haven't figured this out yet, pilots are passionate about flying. It's
rather a zen thing and if you don't like flying it's nearly impossible
to understand why anyone does it. But trust me, it's neither easy nor
can an academically challenged person learn it.

Sorry about the Mooney pilot, even smart people can be jerks.

Corky Scott

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:02:47 -0400, "Skylune"
wrote:

As I stated, i bought the property about 15 years ago, making sure to
avoid the pattern and areas parallel to the runways. I'm about 5 nm from
the airport. We get buzzed regularly by low flying flights as it is
(wasn't that way 15 years ago, and I WAS THERE FIRST), and now, the
airport wants to expand (or, as they call runway extensions or second
runway contruction, "improve").

But the expansion would hardly extend to your back door would it? You
already mentioned you bought the property making sure you were not in
line with the runway's right? That would not change with the
expansion, you'd still be out from under the runnway.

What is your big beef with the expansion, since it should not change
any flight patterns?

Corky Scott

wrote:

But trust me, it's neither easy nor
can an academically challenged person learn it.

He knows that. He said he quit flight training because he determined that he
would never be able to do it safely.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

Skylune wrote:

Steve: A serious question for you as a GA aviator. Since a runway
lengthening from 5,000 feet to 5,500 or 6,000 is not necessary for any
normal GA operations, wouldn't that mean the airport is trying to attract
the Net Jet crowd and the other fractional jet ownerships? That would be
my guess. Rumor around town has it that they have their eyes on Fed Ex
because the costs at BED are much higher (landing fees, fuel, etc....)

Even if that's true you do realize that the jets that Net Jets and the
other fractionals fly is quieter than your average spam can, right?