Europe as joke

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Phil
blurted out:

I suspect that if you think a democratic Iraq would wholeheartedly
support US policies, you are wrong (particularly regarding the
Israeli/Palestinian dispute).

Allow me to elaborate about a greatful Iraq. I simply meant
political/economic gratitude would more likely to be directed to the
US vice the EU. Not to suggest that the rebuilt Iraq would simply
become a persian puppet. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

Iraq would probably be slightly less supportive of US policies
than France is. (Not that france is hostile to the USA;
it isn't. It just refuses to be subservient to the USA)

We are in complete agreement.

GWB spent years ****ing off Europe and the rest of the world. Now
when he wants support, it's bound to be lukewarm. Which is a pity,
since a rebuilt, democratic Iraq would be a good thing, for Iraq,
for the middle east, and for the rest of the world.

Agreed. In discussing this (prior to the invasion) with a coworker
that also happen to be retired USNR Captain he replied, "GWB is doing
what he thinks is in our best interest, not what's in the best
interest for the rest of the world." When questioned about european
reluctance to invade Iraq, "**** 'em!" When asked about all the
goodwill Clinton had built up around the world, "**** 'em."

I suspect you mean Northumbrian :-) Or possibly "Newcastle Broon"

Ack...forgive my error. Northumbrian has displaced Newcastle on my
favorite's list.

Cheers

Juvat

Cub Driver wrote in message
news

For the rebuilding of Iraq, the United States has pledged $20 billion,
Japan has pledged $1.5 billion, and the European Union has pledged
$235 million.

How can anyone take Europe seriously as a force in the world?

Someone please remind me how much the U.S. has spent in the former
Yugoslavia. How many billions have we ****ed away, putting out fires
in Europe's outhouse? Why are we continuing to put men and treasure
into the Balkans?

(I say this with a salute to Britain, Poland, Spain, Italy, and even
Holland, who have indeed put cash and troops into Iraq. Europe is not
entirely defined by France and Germany.)

all the best -- Dan Ford

Remember the Europeans were scolding Clinton that the US had to fight in
Bosnia and Kosovo so as to prove we aren't isolationist. The weasel
nations of Europe are like lazy teenagers that won't clean their room.
As soon as the responsible adults start picking up their mess they cry
"I was just about to start but now you've ruined everything".

Pay no attention to them, they are just bitter and resentful that they
are no longer important. Wait until their lax immigration causes the
next world war in Europe then they will be a bit more reasonable, for 2
weeks.

--

Scott
--------
"If Gen. Boykin had been caught giving talks to NAMBLA instead of church
groups, Democrats would be hailing him as a patriot for exercising his
First Amendment rights." Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/102203.htm

Blalalalalalalla American ****

*ROTFL*

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:02:25 -0400, Cub Driver wrote:

For the rebuilding of Iraq, the United States has pledged $20 billion,
Japan has pledged $1.5 billion, and the European Union has pledged
$235 million.

$1.3 bn if you include contributions from individual EU members.

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people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
(Email: , but first subtract 275 and reverse
the last two letters).

For the rebuilding of Iraq, the United States has pledged $20 billion,
Japan has pledged $1.5 billion, and the European Union has pledged
$235 million.

How can anyone take Europe seriously as a force in the world?

Why should they pay for what the US broke? You see, if Europe begin to shell
out for every country the US invades, it might become a pattern. If Mr. Bush
does not know how best to blow his mint, let him donate those billions he
spends on war in iraq to some charity.

Ivan the Bear
=Nothing per-r-rsonal, just business=

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
news

For the rebuilding of Iraq, the United States has pledged $20 billion,
Japan has pledged $1.5 billion, and the European Union has pledged
$235 million.

How can anyone take Europe seriously as a force in the world?

Someone please remind me how much the U.S. has spent in the former
Yugoslavia. How many billions have we ****ed away, putting out fires
in Europe's outhouse? Why are we continuing to put men and treasure
into the Balkans?

(I say this with a salute to Britain, Poland, Spain, Italy, and even
Holland, who have indeed put cash and troops into Iraq. Europe is not
entirely defined by France and Germany.)

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

In article ,
"??????? ??????" wrote:

For the rebuilding of Iraq, the United States has pledged $20 billion,
Japan has pledged $1.5 billion, and the European Union has pledged
$235 million.

How can anyone take Europe seriously as a force in the world?

Why should they pay for what the US broke?

You really think the US "broke" Iraq?

The parts of Iraq that we're asking for money to fix up are the parts
that Europe was very happy to have broken - infrastructure and
government. And both of those were pretty much destroyed by their own
government before we ever dropped a bomb there. When people were
complaining about the water systems in parts of Iraq, they often forgot
to note that many of them were screwed up since about 1980.

We're asking for money to build schools and hospitals, and if you can't
afford some school books and beds, then you're in worse shape than we
thought...

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

We're asking for money to build schools and hospitals, and if you can't
afford some school books and beds, then you're in worse shape than we
thought...

So when you told Europeans to f*ck off because they didn't agree to the war
didn't include their paychecks?

In article , "tadaa" wrote:

We're asking for money to build schools and hospitals, and if you can't
afford some school books and beds, then you're in worse shape than we
thought...

So when you told Europeans to f*ck off because they didn't agree to the war
didn't include their paychecks?

You might note that we're not asking Europe to give money to the US,
we're asking them to help pay for rebuilding a country they didn't give
a damn about until the US went in to kick out one of the worst dictators
on the planet.

The US is absorbing tens of billions of dollars of military costs, we'd
just like Europe to help build a country that won't turn out like all of
the *other* Mideast cesspools.

And, oddly enough, many European companies are lined up to help do the
rebuilding. As long as the US pays for it. Again.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

So when you told Europeans to f*ck off because they didn't agree to the
war
didn't include their paychecks?

You might note that we're not asking Europe to give money to the US,
we're asking them to help pay for rebuilding a country they didn't give
a damn about until the US went in to kick out one of the worst dictators
on the planet.

The US is absorbing tens of billions of dollars of military costs, we'd
just like Europe to help build a country that won't turn out like all of
the *other* Mideast cesspools.

And, oddly enough, many European companies are lined up to help do the
rebuilding. As long as the US pays for it. Again.

And European countries have agreed to give more money when and if the
decicion power is transferred to UN or to the Iraqis. So as long you want to
run the show, be prepared to pay for it.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:05:06 -0700, "??????? ??????" wrote:

For the rebuilding of Iraq, the United States has pledged $20 billion,
Japan has pledged $1.5 billion, and the European Union has pledged
$235 million.

How can anyone take Europe seriously as a force in the world?

Why should they pay for what the US broke? You see, if Europe begin to shell
out for every country the US invades, it might become a pattern. If Mr. Bush
does not know how best to blow his mint, let him donate those billions he
spends on war in iraq to some charity.

Ivan the Bear
=Nothing per-r-rsonal, just business=


That's fine. Now you can defend yourselves, feed yourselves,
etc. If you do not contribute to establishing as peaceful,
democratic regime in Iraq, then do not come to the US
expecting foreign aid, trade, and military support. Russia
can de-fuel its own rusting subs, try to feed its own people
etc.

Good luck, you will need it.

Al Minyard