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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
On 2008-03-27, BobR wrote:
What you don't seem to understand or I suspect you just don't give a damn (based on your own motives statement) is that the way the story was presented, it was a direct attempt to do harm to both Sun-N-Fun and indirectly everyone who attends in order to display their products and services. Motives do matter and factual presentation along with credibility also matter. I don't care what Zoom's motives are. The story is what matters. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:37:39 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-03-27, BobR wrote: What you don't seem to understand or I suspect you just don't give a damn (based on your own motives statement) is that the way the story was presented, it was a direct attempt to do harm to both Sun-N-Fun and indirectly everyone who attends in order to display their products and services. Motives do matter and factual presentation along with credibility also matter. I don't care what Zoom's motives are. The story is what matters. Welcome to the World Of BobR, the monotract-minded, blindered, self-absorbed Debate King. |
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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:39:24 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-03-27, WJRFlyBoy wrote: I was at Naples air this morning, an airport that flies in/out serious hi $$$ aircraft. Their revenue base is mainly hangar, land and other rentals. Their nervous about the possibilities and the negative press. Good. They should be leaning on FDOR to back off. Since they live and work there, that means they're voters, and can't be brushed off quite as easily (in theory). They got a problem. They are looking at $50M in runway/tarmac replacements over the next few years and FloridaDOT needs to pick up $3M + of it where, in the past, they would only ask for $200K max. Thru 2012, $13M from FDOT for Cap Improvements. Ouch, see the problem? |
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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
On Mar 27, 12:32*pm, WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:37:39 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-03-27, BobR wrote: What you don't seem to understand or I suspect you just don't give a damn (based on your own motives statement) is that the way the story was presented, it was a direct attempt to do harm to both Sun-N-Fun and indirectly everyone who attends in order to display their products and services. *Motives do matter and factual presentation along with credibility also matter. I don't care what Zoom's motives are. The story is what matters. Welcome to the World Of BobR, the monotract-minded, blindered, self-absorbed Debate King. Go learn how to fly so that you can at least appear to know what you are talking about. |
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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
...and why do you think he waited until a couple weeks before Sun-N-
Fun to bring this up? After all, he DOES own a Glasair, registered in a state other than Florida (look up N411AN on the FAA database) and has operated it in Florida nearly continuously, including during the crucial six month period after he bought it. It would be interesting to know if HE was billed by the Florida DOR, and if so, when. (Mr. Wanttaja, are you listening?) As for your not caring what his motives are, allow me to give you a little background. I worked for Campbell trying to sell advertising, a fact of which I am deeply ashamed. What I can tell you is that for Campbell, motive is everything. In his case there are only two motives that count. Money and personal aggrandizement. Money from advertisers (sometimes unwilling advertisers) who are, in many cases, given nearly continuously good coverage on his little website for as long as they are advertisers. (Case in point: Cirrus Design. 80 accidents, including 33 fatals, in five years. Look at where they advertise on his page, and look at how much negative coverage they get.) Cancel those ads and watch out. Case in point: In the late 90s, everyone was worried (to say the least) about the quality of design and the components supplied with the Revolution 500 helicopter. Despite nearly universal condemnation, Campbell's little rag, US Aviator, had nothing but good things to say about the kit. When the owner finally turned down repeated attempts by both Campbell and myself to sell him an ad in the magazine, Revolution Helicopters got slammed, repeatedly, in both the magazine and on this very forum by Mr. Campbell. Coincidence? You might think so, but I know better. Was the criticism warranted? Yes. Was his presentation of those criticisms timely? No. He waited until there was no chance to get money from them, and THEN took them on. Chuck Slusarczyk is another case in point. Campbell and his pet rat, Juan Jimenez, have made a hobby of borderline libel of both Chuck and his line of ultralights for literally decades. When did THAT start? When Chuck decided not to advertise in Campbell's rag and, worst of all, when he called Campbell's credibility into question. In the case of his hatred of Sun-N-Fun, he likes to say that the fly- in has been banning him from attending and therefore trying to muzzle him because of his criticisms. The reality is far from what he "reports." The actual reasons he has been banned (although reporters and photographers working for him are, indeed, welcome) include printing up fake press and parking passes for the event (of which I have two, provided to me by Campbell, for the 1997 SNF) as well as attempting to serve legal papers on people and companies attending and exhibiting at the show after being told, repeatedly, not to do so. He has also bragged (during his "terrorists are out to kill me" period) of needing to carry a Berretta 9mm hand cannon to the show to protect himself. I HEARD that brag, firsthand, outside the Rose Motel (where Campbell put his staff, including me, up) on the second night of the 1997 SNF. Do I think he actually carried? Well, when I asked him to show me the weapon (supposedly in an ankle holster) his reply was "the only reason it comes out of the holster is if I have to use it," which, upon reflection, most likely means that the whole story was just that. A story. Bottom line, it is not a matter of his "journalistic" rights being trampled upon by the City of Lakeland and SNF officials. THAT is just a convenient story. Yes, the story is indeed what matters. No doubt about it. But in Campbell's case you ALWAYS have to consider whether you are getting a fair, objective and representative telling. In the case of anything Sun-N-Fun related, the chances of reading something fair and objective on ANN are somewhere between microscopically slim and none. Al "Escalator Tag" Staats I don't care what Zoom's motives are. The story is what matters. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC * * * * * * * * *http://www.conmicro.comhttp://jmaynard.livejournal.com* * *http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) * * * * * * * * * * * *(Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !
On 2008-03-27, olympusE1 wrote:
...and why do you think he waited until a couple weeks before Sun-N- Fun to bring this up? After all, he DOES own a Glasair, registered in a state other than Florida (look up N411AN on the FAA database) and has operated it in Florida nearly continuously, including during the crucial six month period after he bought it. It would be interesting to know if HE was billed by the Florida DOR, and if so, when. (Mr. Wanttaja, are you listening?) It would be. That does not change the basic story, which is about much more than Zoom Campbell. As for your not caring what his motives are, allow me to give you a little background. I'm sorry that so many people have had so much trouble with the guy, and glad that our paths have never crossed. That does not change the basic story, which is about much more than Zoom Campbell. (BTW, the Beretta 92, while a fine pistol, is far from a "hand cannon".) Yes, the story is indeed what matters. No doubt about it. But in Campbell's case you ALWAYS have to consider whether you are getting a fair, objective and representative telling. In the case of anything Sun-N-Fun related, the chances of reading something fair and objective on ANN are somewhere between microscopically slim and none. I'm not reading it on ANN. I've never visited ANN. For that matter, I never read US Aviator. I'm reading it from AOPA and EAA, and hearing about it in person from Phil Boyer. ANN's credibility, while quite possibly an issue in general (I'm not commenting one way or the other, as I don't have enough facts to make a decision, although I can certainly see why lots of folks find Zoom's credibility lacking), is not relevant to this story. AOPA's and EAA's are, and they have sufficient credibility for me. The minute AOPA and EAA picked it up, Zoom Campbell's credibility became irrelevant. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!) AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (ordered 17 March, delivery 2 June) |
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Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA ! (was: A.N.N. BUSTED! Just Bought A Plane? STAY OUT OF FLORIDA !)
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:29:16 -0700 (PDT), olympusE1 wrote:
snipped humongous rant on Campbell/Zoom/life Al "Escalator Tag" Staats So the OP Subject is a lie, all is safe and well in Florida right? |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:37:39 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote:
On 2008-03-27, BobR wrote: What you don't seem to understand or I suspect you just don't give a damn (based on your own motives statement) is that the way the story was presented, it was a direct attempt to do harm to both Sun-N-Fun and indirectly everyone who attends in order to display their products and services. Motives do matter and factual presentation along with credibility also matter. I don't care what Zoom's motives are. The story is what matters. http://www.fata.aero/news.asp?news_id=88&display=yes |
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Cirrus Owner Tell His Story
WJRFlyBoy wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:37:39 GMT, Jay Maynard wrote: On 2008-03-27, BobR wrote: What you don't seem to understand or I suspect you just don't give a damn (based on your own motives statement) is that the way the story was presented, it was a direct attempt to do harm to both Sun-N-Fun and indirectly everyone who attends in order to display their products and services. Motives do matter and factual presentation along with credibility also matter. I don't care what Zoom's motives are. The story is what matters. http://www.fata.aero/news.asp?news_id=88&display=yes So basically he wasn't charged any sales or use tax. That is not what the A.N.N. story claimed. The Cirrus owner simply assumed that the advice he heard over the phone was valid and canceled his plans. |
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Sun n Fun Email Cirrus Owner Tell His Story (was: Cirrus Owner Tell His Story)
On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:28:45 -0500, Jim Logajan wrote:
http://www.fata.aero/news.asp?news_id=88&display=yes So basically he wasn't charged any sales or use tax. That is not what the A.N.N. story claimed. The Cirrus owner simply assumed that the advice he heard over the phone was valid and canceled his plans. I received this from Sun n' fun which seemingly contradicts the report by the Cirrus owner (link above). March 21, 2008 Sun ¡¦n Fun has recently been made aware of media reports of a ¡§Florida Tax Ripoff¡¨ and the impact this may have on the Sun ¡¦n Fun Fly-In, which opens Tuesday, April 8, and runs through Sunday, April 13. The reports erroneously describe ¡§non (Florida)-resident pilots who have been caught in the FL tax trap¡¨ and who have been ¡§targeted for ¡¥use tax¡¦ by agents of the state¡¦s Department of Revenue . . . despite the fact that the targeted aircraft were not owned or operated by state residents.¡¨ This is inaccurate and misleading. Sun ¡¦n Fun contacted the Florida Department of Revenue and received a definition of the regulation in question. Language within the Florida Tax Code quoted in the media reports clearly indicates this tax affects ONLY those owners who have: Purchased their airplane in another state (outside of Florida) within the past six months but who have the aircraft titled, registered or licensed in Florida and have not paid Florida tax on that airplane. This DOES NOT impact Sun ¡¦n Fun Exhibitors who bring aircraft to Lakeland. It DOES NOT impact aircraft owners whose airplane is more than six months old, which comprises a vast majority of aircraft being flown to Sun ¡¦n Fun. It DOES NOT impact aircraft owners who have owned their airplane more than six months and have it titled, registered or licensed in another state. It DOES NOT impact aircraft owners who have purchased an airplane within the past six months and have it titled, registered or licensed in another state (other than Florida). And it DOES NOT impact aircraft owners who have purchased their airplanes within the past six months in Florida and have paid the appropriate tax. The bottom line is that the Florida Tax Code in question has the capacity to impact a minute number ¡V if any ¡V of the aircraft flying to Lakeland for Sun ¡¦n Fun. More importantly, the Florida Department of Revenue has assured Sun ¡¥n Fun that there will not be any agents assigned to the Fly-In event conducting ¡§ramp checks¡¨ and that out-of-state aircraft flying to Florida for Sun 'n Fun are not subject to the "sales/use" tax as long as the aircraft owner is not trying to avoid taxes owed because he/she is a Florida resident or operates a business in Florida and uses the aircraft for that purpose. We look forward to seeing you at Sun ¡¦n Fun! John Burton President Sun ¡¥n Fun |
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