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Stability augmentation promises to give you even less control
On Jul 31, 7:40*pm, wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote: writes: Define "hobby pilot". Someone who doesn't fly for a living. OK, then single pilot in real IMC. -- Jim Pennino There is a relevant story among my Jewish friends who asked a Rabbi what it was like praying at the Wall at the temple in Jerusalem. "It's like talking to a wall," he said. |
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Stability augmentation promises to give you even less control
Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: OK, then single pilot in real IMC. That's what wing levelers are for. Not while manuevering, which is when the system would be active. Another would be inadvertent VFR flight into IMC. Though I will admit that since there has to be an autopilot installed which this thing is installed on top of, it does sound a little like having a belt and suspenders. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Stability augmentation promises to give you even less control
On Aug 1, 12:05*am, wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote: writes: OK, then single pilot in real IMC. That's what wing levelers are for. Not while manuevering, which is when the system would be active. Another would be inadvertent VFR flight into IMC. Though I will admit that since there has to be an autopilot installed which this thing is installed on top of, it does sound a little like having a belt and suspenders. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. The reasonable approach would be to have the autopilot engage in straight and level automatically if the sensors detect an out of control condition. Not sure if a conventional A/P knows how to recover from a spin, but that would be a modest software patch. |
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Stability augmentation promises to give you even less control
Mxsmanic wrote:
writes: Not while manuevering, which is when the system would be active. While maneuvering, you'd want the system inactive, lest it decide that you're doing something "wrong" and attempt to "help" you. Obviously you didn't read the article and understand exactly what it is the system actually does as your comment is nonsense. Though I will admit that since there has to be an autopilot installed which this thing is installed on top of, it does sound a little like having a belt and suspenders. The part I don't like is the decision-making part. It's one thing to have a wing leveler that you can turn on at your discretion; it's quite another to have a gadget that turns itself on without warning and tries to override what you are doing. Even if you can wrestle back control of the aircraft, the mere fact that it interferes on its own initiative is worrisome and could cause problems. And again, nonsense because you don't understand what the system actually does and how it works. I prefer that automation be limited to things that do exactly as they are told, when they are told, in easy-to-understand ways. Pilots are still smarter than computers, and computers must not second-guess pilots. And again, nonsense because you don't understand what the system actually does and how it works. As I've said, decades of experience with computers have made me wary. It's not the computers themselves that I distrust--they do what they do very reliably--it's the software, written by human beings, that I distrust. If you have so much experience, how come you can't get a decent job? While with the economic downturn my revenues have gone down, they are still good, so the economy can't be the reason. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Stability augmentation promises to give you even less control
a wrote:
On Aug 1, 12:05Â*am, wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: writes: OK, then single pilot in real IMC. That's what wing levelers are for. Not while manuevering, which is when the system would be active. Another would be inadvertent VFR flight into IMC. Though I will admit that since there has to be an autopilot installed which this thing is installed on top of, it does sound a little like having a belt and suspenders. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. The reasonable approach would be to have the autopilot engage in straight and level automatically if the sensors detect an out of control condition. Not sure if a conventional A/P knows how to recover from a spin, but that would be a modest software patch. The article mentions loss of control as a major factor in the accident rate without going into any details of what that means. I can see the utility of something that monitors angle of attack and nudges the nose down when it determines a stall is emminent. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Stability augmentation promises to give you even less control
a writes:
The reasonable approach would be to have the autopilot engage in straight and level automatically if the sensors detect an out of control condition. What would count as an out-of-control condition? |
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Stability augmentation promises to give you even less control
On Aug 2, 4:48*am, wrote:
The article mentions loss of control as a major factor in the accident rate without going into any details of what that means. I can see the utility of something that monitors angle of attack and nudges the nose down when it determines a stall is emminent. We could use that as an excuse next time a landing gets away from us :-0 |
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Stability augmentation promises to give you even less control
On Aug 1, 12:48*pm, wrote:
a wrote: On Aug 1, 12:05*am, wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: writes: OK, then single pilot in real IMC. That's what wing levelers are for. Not while manuevering, which is when the system would be active. Another would be inadvertent VFR flight into IMC. Though I will admit that since there has to be an autopilot installed which this thing is installed on top of, it does sound a little like having a belt and suspenders. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. The reasonable approach would be to have the autopilot engage in straight and level automatically if the sensors detect an out of control condition. Not sure if a conventional A/P knows how to recover from a spin, but that would be a modest software patch. The article mentions loss of control as a major factor in the accident rate without going into any details of what that means. I can see the utility of something that monitors angle of attack and nudges the nose down when it determines a stall is emminent. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. Jim,with respect, if some device decided I wanted back pressure released when a stall is pending that device and I would have a discussion -- my end of it would be with wire clippers or a hammer! -- because when I'm landing the AoA is in the stall range and I don't want the nose wheel to touch down first, especially on a soft field. It would take somewhat better programming than simply AoA. On the other hand, my airplane never sees pitch and bank close to the statutory limits, Those might be worth considering. Wait a minute, maybe not. I would not want something to intervene if I needed big pitch or bank inputs if trying to avoid another airplane or the like. I'm guessing optimal spin recovery would be ok though, optimal being defined as minimal loss of altitude. And maybe something to avoid the JFK Jr kind of pilot auguring into the ocean. |
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