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Some questions about flying to LAS:
1. The RNAV RWY 1R (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662R1R.PDF) has two IAFs: BOACH and SKEBR. I can find BOACH on the enroute chart (on V21 between WHIGG and CRESO) but not SKEBR. Where is it? 2. Same question for KACCY intersection, which is the IAF for the VOR/DME-A (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662VDA.PDF) 3. The route I get from DUATS low-altitude auto-routing (from VNY) ends at OASYS (on V394), which does not appear to be the IAF for any approach. Am I missing something? Is DUATS broken? If I were cleared "as filed" and lost comm, which should I do when I got to OASYS? Thanks, rg |
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Hash: SHA1 Ron Garret wrote: Some questions about flying to LAS: 1. The RNAV RWY 1R (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662R1R.PDF) has two IAFs: BOACH and SKEBR. I can find BOACH on the enroute chart (on V21 between WHIGG and CRESO) but not SKEBR. Where is it? SKEBR should be defined as the LAS R-211, 28DME. It's a little bit northeast of CLARR. http://www.airnav.com/airspace/fix/skebr 2. Same question for KACCY intersection, which is the IAF for the VOR/DME-A (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662VDA.PDF) KACCY? LAS R-180, 16.5DME, and/or BLD R-224, 21DME. http://www.airnav.com/airspace/fix/kaccy 3. The route I get from DUATS low-altitude auto-routing (from VNY) ends at OASYS (on V394), which does not appear to be the IAF for any approach. Am I missing something? Is DUATS broken? If I were cleared "as filed" and lost comm, which should I do when I got to OASYS? ugh.. You'll want to avoid anything near OASYS (in fact, ATC will keep you away from it) as you'll come into conflict with the BOACH2, MCCRN3, and SHEAD5 departures out of KLAS. Two things. If you're looking at flying into KLAS, if you're a prop or slow and go, consider filing the CRESO3 arrival. They've kept that one around for the slower planes so they can be kept out of the main CLARR/KEPEC arrival stream. This would put you pretty much in line with V21 all the way to BLD. Secondly, this is all under normal configuration at KLAS (normal being landing/departing runways 19L/R and 25L/R). Currently 25L/7R is closed for reconstruction (as been since October and will be until May) so current calm wind config is landing 25R and 1L, departing 1R. From the south, you'll more than likely be given something low to cross underneath the SoCal departures at BOACH, then turned directly towards LAS. Clear skies prevail for the most, so visuals will be in order. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFJyINhyBkZmuMZ8L8RAk+pAKD7V4RJ2Bom65y6bjEd+/RKehczBgCg0WhX 1kWWGONqm3+a6p+VrV3OVyg= =syiW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Ron Garret wrote:
Some questions about flying to LAS: 1. The RNAV RWY 1R (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662R1R.PDF) has two IAFs: BOACH and SKEBR. I can find BOACH on the enroute chart (on V21 between WHIGG and CRESO) but not SKEBR. Where is it? 2. Same question for KACCY intersection, which is the IAF for the VOR/DME-A (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662VDA.PDF) 3. The route I get from DUATS low-altitude auto-routing (from VNY) ends at OASYS (on V394), which does not appear to be the IAF for any approach. Am I missing something? Is DUATS broken? If I were cleared "as filed" and lost comm, which should I do when I got to OASYS? Thanks, rg Did you check the STARS for LAS? |
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Sam Spade wrote: Ron Garret wrote: Some questions about flying to LAS: 1. The RNAV RWY 1R (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662R1R.PDF) has two IAFs: BOACH and SKEBR. I can find BOACH on the enroute chart (on V21 between WHIGG and CRESO) but not SKEBR. Where is it? 2. Same question for KACCY intersection, which is the IAF for the VOR/DME-A (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662VDA.PDF) 3. The route I get from DUATS low-altitude auto-routing (from VNY) ends at OASYS (on V394), which does not appear to be the IAF for any approach. Am I missing something? Is DUATS broken? If I were cleared "as filed" and lost comm, which should I do when I got to OASYS? Thanks, rg Did you check the STARS for LAS? Yep. Couldn't find them there either. But I didn't do an exhaustive search. rg |
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A Guy Called Tyketto wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ron Garret wrote: Some questions about flying to LAS: 1. The RNAV RWY 1R (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662R1R.PDF) has two IAFs: BOACH and SKEBR. I can find BOACH on the enroute chart (on V21 between WHIGG and CRESO) but not SKEBR. Where is it? SKEBR should be defined as the LAS R-211, 28DME. It's a little bit northeast of CLARR. http://www.airnav.com/airspace/fix/skebr I guess I should have phrased the question a little differently. I know where these waypoints are (obviously they're on the approach plate). What I want to know is how do you get to them if they're not shown on the enroute chart? (I'm talking theory here. I know that in practice you just get vectored around, and it's visual approaches 99.9% of the time.) Conversely, what do you do if your DUATS-recommended flight plan terminates at a waypoint that is not the IAF for any approach and you lose comm? rg |
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Ron Garret wrote:
In article , Sam Spade wrote: Ron Garret wrote: Some questions about flying to LAS: 1. The RNAV RWY 1R (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662R1R.PDF) has two IAFs: BOACH and SKEBR. I can find BOACH on the enroute chart (on V21 between WHIGG and CRESO) but not SKEBR. Where is it? 2. Same question for KACCY intersection, which is the IAF for the VOR/DME-A (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662VDA.PDF) 3. The route I get from DUATS low-altitude auto-routing (from VNY) ends at OASYS (on V394), which does not appear to be the IAF for any approach. Am I missing something? Is DUATS broken? If I were cleared "as filed" and lost comm, which should I do when I got to OASYS? Thanks, rg Did you check the STARS for LAS? Yep. Couldn't find them there either. But I didn't do an exhaustive search. rg SKEBR is on the CLARR2 STAR. And, although it is not part of V-394, SKEBR lies directly on V-394. |
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Ron Garret wrote:
Some questions about flying to LAS: 1. The RNAV RWY 1R (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662R1R.PDF) has two IAFs: BOACH and SKEBR. I can find BOACH on the enroute chart (on V21 between WHIGG and CRESO) but not SKEBR. Where is it? SKEBR is on the LAS R-211 at 28 DME, you'll find it on the CLARR TWO STAR: http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662CLARR.PDF 2. Same question for KACCY intersection, which is the IAF for the VOR/DME-A (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662VDA.PDF) KACCY is on the LAS R-180 at 16.5 DME. I can't find it on any enroute chart or STAR, but it does have a feeder route from BLD VORTAC. 3. The route I get from DUATS low-altitude auto-routing (from VNY) ends at OASYS (on V394), which does not appear to be the IAF for any approach. Am I missing something? Is DUATS broken? If I were cleared "as filed" and lost comm, which should I do when I got to OASYS? You mean if you suffer some bizarre failure in IMC that prevents you from receiving on any comm radio but leaves your other avionics unaffected? You should get your airplane on the ground before it does spread and you lose your ability to navigate. Pick an approach that you feel is most advantageous to you, broadcast your intentions in the event that your transmitter is still functioning, squawk 7600 briefly to let ATC know you can't hear them (they probably know already), squawk 7700 briefly to let them know you consider it an emergency, then return to your original code for better tracking and to silence any annoying alarms. Fly your approach and land. |
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Ron Garret wrote:
I guess I should have phrased the question a little differently. I know where these waypoints are (obviously they're on the approach plate). What I want to know is how do you get to them if they're not shown on the enroute chart? (I'm talking theory here. I know that in practice you just get vectored around, and it's visual approaches 99.9% of the time.) SKEBR is connected to the enroute environment through the CLARR2 arrival, KACCY is connected via the feeder route from BLD VORTAC. Conversely, what do you do if your DUATS-recommended flight plan terminates at a waypoint that is not the IAF for any approach and you lose comm? Whatever you feel is in your own best interest. |
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In article ,
Sam Spade wrote: Ron Garret wrote: In article , Sam Spade wrote: Ron Garret wrote: Some questions about flying to LAS: 1. The RNAV RWY 1R (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662R1R.PDF) has two IAFs: BOACH and SKEBR. I can find BOACH on the enroute chart (on V21 between WHIGG and CRESO) but not SKEBR. Where is it? 2. Same question for KACCY intersection, which is the IAF for the VOR/DME-A (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662VDA.PDF) 3. The route I get from DUATS low-altitude auto-routing (from VNY) ends at OASYS (on V394), which does not appear to be the IAF for any approach. Am I missing something? Is DUATS broken? If I were cleared "as filed" and lost comm, which should I do when I got to OASYS? Thanks, rg Did you check the STARS for LAS? Yep. Couldn't find them there either. But I didn't do an exhaustive search. rg SKEBR is on the CLARR2 STAR. And, although it is not part of V-394, SKEBR lies directly on V-394. Just returned from an uneventful (and CAVU, albeit a bit bumpy) trip to LAS. Thanks for all the responses! rg |
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Ron Garret wrote:
In article , Sam Spade wrote: Ron Garret wrote: In article , Sam Spade wrote: Ron Garret wrote: Some questions about flying to LAS: 1. The RNAV RWY 1R (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662R1R.PDF) has two IAFs: BOACH and SKEBR. I can find BOACH on the enroute chart (on V21 between WHIGG and CRESO) but not SKEBR. Where is it? 2. Same question for KACCY intersection, which is the IAF for the VOR/DME-A (http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0903/00662VDA.PDF) 3. The route I get from DUATS low-altitude auto-routing (from VNY) ends at OASYS (on V394), which does not appear to be the IAF for any approach. Am I missing something? Is DUATS broken? If I were cleared "as filed" and lost comm, which should I do when I got to OASYS? Thanks, rg Did you check the STARS for LAS? Yep. Couldn't find them there either. But I didn't do an exhaustive search. rg SKEBR is on the CLARR2 STAR. And, although it is not part of V-394, SKEBR lies directly on V-394. Just returned from an uneventful (and CAVU, albeit a bit bumpy) trip to LAS. Thanks for all the responses! rg Not much fun when the Santa Anas are at play. Where are you based? |
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