When does IFR begin in VFR?

On 2/11/05 2:34 PM, in article
, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote:

Wow!
1) You are not "IFR" in controlled airspace (anything but G) until you
are told "Cleared to somewhere".
2) You must tell ATC "I'd like to pick up my IFR". They will not simply
give it to you when you call up. Most likely its not even in front of
them.
3) If you were "IFR" you CANNOT change your altitude w/o ATC oking it.
4) You said it was "VFR". There really is no such thing. It can be
"VMC" or "VFR conditions" but VFR is a set of regulatory requirements,
not weather.

So, you can be IFR in VMC, IFR in IMC or VFR in VMC. I wouldn't
recommend VFR in IMC though.

-Robert, CFI

Thanks Robert.

Please keep in mind that, when I post anyway, I'm going to use a shorthand
version of events to relay the situation. It appears that you and the rest
of the posters understood my meaning when I said I was and it was, VFR. It
may get under your skin, but I'd rather save my time and fingers for drawing
instead of typing more than I really need to.

The controller had spoken to me on the ground only a few minutes before, so
he was expecting me and my IFR plan. My call up to him in the air included
"ready to copy IFR". I assume that was why he came back with a IFR code.
--
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Wizard of Draws wrote:


The controller had spoken to me on the ground only a few minutes before, so
he was expecting me and my IFR plan. My call up to him in the air included
"ready to copy IFR". I assume that was why he came back with a IFR code.

Presumably it wasn't the same guy. The ground controller knows you want
to be IFR. He attaches two strips to the strip holder. Your VFR strip
is half the length of an IFR one. You IFR strip is full size. They
both go into the holder. When you depart both strips get dropped to the
radar controller. That way he knows you want to be IFR. Very simple.

On 2/12/05 11:07 AM, in article , "Newps"
wrote:



Wizard of Draws wrote:


The controller had spoken to me on the ground only a few minutes before, so
he was expecting me and my IFR plan. My call up to him in the air included
"ready to copy IFR". I assume that was why he came back with a IFR code.

Presumably it wasn't the same guy. The ground controller knows you want
to be IFR. He attaches two strips to the strip holder. Your VFR strip
is half the length of an IFR one. You IFR strip is full size. They
both go into the holder. When you depart both strips get dropped to the
radar controller. That way he knows you want to be IFR. Very simple.

It was the same guy, same frequency: Atlanta Approach on 121.0. I've talked
enough to him to recognize the voice. I'm not sure why I would have had a
VFR strip. I was departing an uncontrolled field.
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Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino

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You were a VFR popup first. So even though the code doesn't change what
you did was a two count for ATC. We like guys like that.



Wizard of Draws wrote:
On 2/12/05 11:07 AM, in article , "Newps"
wrote:



Wizard of Draws wrote:


The controller had spoken to me on the ground only a few minutes before, so
he was expecting me and my IFR plan. My call up to him in the air included
"ready to copy IFR". I assume that was why he came back with a IFR code.

Presumably it wasn't the same guy. The ground controller knows you want
to be IFR. He attaches two strips to the strip holder. Your VFR strip
is half the length of an IFR one. You IFR strip is full size. They
both go into the holder. When you depart both strips get dropped to the
radar controller. That way he knows you want to be IFR. Very simple.


It was the same guy, same frequency: Atlanta Approach on 121.0. I've talked
enough to him to recognize the voice. I'm not sure why I would have had a
VFR strip. I was departing an uncontrolled field.