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scott moore wrote:
Dennis Johnson wrote: Greetings, I think those who are arguing that flying MS Flight Sim isn't really "flying" are on the losing side of the argument. Flying is flying, I don't care if it's a Cub without an electrical system or a computer running MS Flight Sim. As far as general procedures go, MS Flight Sim gives a great workout, and for instrument procedures, it's terrific. Flying with flight sim is like sex with a magazine. The problem is that MSFS is not a flight simulator. Since Microsoft is only making a game, they can call it what they want. It can be useful as a nav procedures trainer provided realistic winds are not needed as part of the training exercise. And, also, if the XP Reality modules are included to make it do what Microsoft was unwilling or unable to do. |
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Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Into the crapper you go with him. If you think that about him, anything you think about anything else is bound to be ****. He's had more than enough time over the months to change his ways; he's not interested. That's fine. His dribblings don't make it to my computer. Now yours don't either. I use Netscape as my news reader. Do you know how to kill a pest on that platform? I don't have a clue. |
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Sam Spade wrote:
I use Netscape as my news reader. Do you know how to kill a pest on that platform? I don't have a clue. No idea. I know how to filter with my software but have no clue with Netscape either. Surely there's a way. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com |
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"Kevin Clarke" wrote in message news:T3BFh.7673 MSFS is a marginally useful training tool. I use it sometimes to practice an approach. But to say that it is flying defies credibility. I offered the following definition of "flying" in my previous post: "If a person is sitting in front of an instrument panel manipulating controls whose performance is based on aerodynamic principles, that's flying. It might be flying a simulator, but it's still flying." What's your definition? Dennis |
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Dennis Johnson wrote:
I offered the following definition of "flying" in my previous post: "If a person is sitting in front of an instrument panel manipulating controls whose performance is based on aerodynamic principles, that's flying. It might be flying a simulator, but it's still flying." What's your definition? Dennis I've never given this much thought. I have been through stages of this stuff in my long career: 1. F-100 fligher simulator, without motion. The Air Force indeed called it a simulator because the cockpit was a real F-100, aerodynamics, etc, but there was no visual nor any way to really to takeoffs or landings. (I was not a USAF pilot, rather an elisted guy who had a lot of access to the simulator; i.e. simulator technican with private pilot's license). 2. Air Force C-11, similar to a T-33 with ILS, DME Zero Reader, etc. Great navigation and flight procedures trainer. No autopilot so it had to be hand-flown. 3. "Demo" or some such name, no motion, large single-engine trainer. Sort of like a Beaver. Can't remember the name of the bird but the pilot-rated desk jockys flew it 4 hours a month to maintain flight pay. 4. Classic Link C-3. 5. Went with the airline when they had non-motion simulators, which were approved for only a portion of Part 121 training. The nitty-gritty had to be done in the actual airplane. 6. Then, Level D simulators with full motion, approved visual, and were used for all training, including rating ride. Also, for all proficiency checks, etc. 7. Retired and have taken several ICCs in ATDs, which I found very effective for that purpose. Of all these, what came to the closest to flying to me? The Level D flight simulators, no question about it. But, even they lack a lot of what really happens in the real world of flying the actual aircraft they simulate. |
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"Dennis Johnson" wrote: Flying is flying, I don't care if it's a Cub without an electrical system or a computer running MS Flight Sim. ********. Give the guy a break. Better yet, give him a plonk. -- Dan C-172RG at BFM |
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"scott moore" wrote: Flying with flight sim is like sex with a magazine. Haw! LOL of the day. |
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"Dennis Johnson" wrote in message . .. "Kevin Clarke" wrote in message news:T3BFh.7673 MSFS is a marginally useful training tool. I use it sometimes to practice an approach. But to say that it is flying defies credibility. I offered the following definition of "flying" in my previous post: "If a person is sitting in front of an instrument panel manipulating controls whose performance is based on aerodynamic principles, that's flying. It might be flying a simulator, but it's still flying." What's your definition? Dennis Uh, actually being airborne. |
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On Mar 1, 9:53 am, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
wrote: Sam Spade wrote: I use Netscape as my news reader. Do you know how to kill a pest on that platform? Which client? I have an older version of Communicator that bundles Netscape's Mail and News clients, running on a Unix box. Haven't used it in years, but can check if needed. I don't have a clue. No idea. I know how to filter with my software but have no clue with Netscape either. Surely there's a way. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com If you're using Thunderbird, you can 'kill' a thread, but that might be overkill. Filtering is straightforward: Select message from plonkee-to-be Message - Create Filter from Message Then it just becomes an issue of managing those that continue to feed the obsession by replying, e.g. deciding which of those must be plonked. HTH... Regards, Jon |
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On Mar 1, 9:11 am, Sam Spade wrote:
scott moore wrote: Dennis Johnson wrote: Greetings, I think those who are arguing that flying MS Flight Sim isn't really "flying" are on the losing side of the argument. Flying is flying, I don't care if it's a Cub without an electrical system or a computer running MS Flight Sim. As far as general procedures go, MS Flight Sim gives a great workout, and for instrument procedures, it's terrific. Flying with flight sim is like sex with a magazine. The problem is that MSFS is not a flight simulator. Since Microsoft is only making a game, they can call it what they want. It can be useful as a nav procedures trainer provided realistic winds are not needed as part of the training exercise. And, also, if the XP Reality modules are included to make it do what Microsoft was unwilling or unable to do. Note: the following has little, if anything, to do with MSFS Although several years old, I found http://www.faa.gov/safety/ programs_initiatives/aircraft_aviation/nsp/research/media/ Paul_Ray.rtf to be an interesting read. Folks here in the Human Factors division are contributing to some of the reference docos (e.g. ICAO 9625), but I was only able to get my hands on hardcopy at this time. Will try to provide online linkage as any becomes available. Regards, Jon |
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