"Rolling" to ATC

paul kgyy wrote:

On Feb 4, 11:59 am, Mxsmanic wrote:

Under what conditions, if any, would you explicitly tell ATC that you
are rolling, that is, actually rolling on the runway for take-off?

I hear this used occasionally, but I don't know if there are any
formal circumstances that merit it, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, or what. It is normally independent of the readback of
the take-off clearance (which precedes it), although sometimes I hear
"Rolling" without a readback of the clearance.

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Tower: United xxy, cleared for takeoff, turn to heading 225
United xxy: United xxy, rolling, turn to 225


I think it would be "United xxy, turn to heading 225, cleared for takeoff."

"Rolling" is pure slang.

On Feb 4, 8:08 pm, Sam Spade wrote:
paul kgyy wrote:
On Feb 4, 11:59 am, Mxsmanic wrote:

Under what conditions, if any, would you explicitly tell ATC that you
are rolling, that is, actually rolling on the runway for take-off?

I hear this used occasionally, but I don't know if there are any
formal circumstances that merit it, or if it is just at pilot
discretion, or what. It is normally independent of the readback of
the take-off clearance (which precedes it), although sometimes I hear
"Rolling" without a readback of the clearance.

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Tower: United xxy, cleared for takeoff, turn to heading 225
United xxy: United xxy, rolling, turn to 225

I think it would be "United xxy, turn to heading 225, cleared for takeoff."

"Rolling" is pure slang.

Correction accepted;
Slang, yes, but have often heard it.

OK, ATC, HIT it!
(ATC)
Rollin' rollin' rollin,
Keep them aircraft rollin'
Deltaaaa
Don't try to understand em
Just throttle, stick and jam them
Soon we'll be livin high a wide......

You've got the word
Make like a bird
Al

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OK, ATC, HIT it!
(ATC)
Rollin' rollin' rollin,
Keep them aircraft rollin'
Deltaaaa
Don't try to understand em
Just throttle, stick and jam them
Soon we'll be livin high a wide......

Doug,

Very nice! ;-)

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Sam Spade wrote:
paul kgyy wrote:
Tower: United xxy, cleared for takeoff, turn to heading 225
United xxy: United xxy, rolling, turn to 225
I think it would be "United xxy, turn to heading 225, cleared for takeoff."

"Theodore 2501, cleared for takeoff, 225. Rolling on a river." It's
better to turn to that heading after you get off the ground unless the
actual direction of the runway is 225. ;-)


Also used for:
Flight attendant #1 - The luggage is probably thirsty. Let's get moving
on the beverage carts.

Stewardess #2 - Rolling.

G. Sylvester writes:

"Theodore 2501, cleared for takeoff, 225. Rolling on a river." It's
better to turn to that heading after you get off the ground unless the
actual direction of the runway is 225. ;-)

I have often heard "upon leaving the runway" or "when airborne" to
remove ambiguity, although I don't think too many pilots would turn to
225 while still on the ground.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
G. Sylvester writes:


"Theodore 2501, cleared for takeoff, 225. Rolling on a river." It's
better to turn to that heading after you get off the ground unless the
actual direction of the runway is 225. ;-)


I have often heard "upon leaving the runway" or "when airborne" to
remove ambiguity, although I don't think too many pilots would turn to
225 while still on the ground.


Where have you heard this? I have never, ever heard such nonsense
instructions.

Here is how it would be done professionally:

"United 123 turn left heading 225, cleared for takeoff."

Of it more then one runway is active, such is always the case at places
like ORD and LAX:

"United 123 turn left heading 225, cleared for takeoff Runway 24L."

Professional pilot response,

"United 123 is cleared for takeoff, heading 225." (thee is no published
format for the pilot response, other than it is common practice to
readback clearances and instructions; hold-short instructions must be
read back.)

It is absolutely understood that the turn will not be made on the runway.

You love to make crap up, Mr. Troll.

Paul,

United xxy: United xxy, rolling, turn to 225


And that phrase as the correct answer to a take-off clearance cna be
found where in the AIM or the PC/G? It's idiot-speak, pure and simple.
Just because an airline captain says it, doesn't make it better.

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Thomas Borchert writes:

And that phrase as the correct answer to a take-off clearance cna be
found where in the AIM or the PC/G? It's idiot-speak, pure and simple.
Just because an airline captain says it, doesn't make it better.

There is no "correct answer." Phraseology is suggested, not required.
ATC is held to a much tighter standard in this respect, but the
objective of radio communication is to communicate, not to prove that
one has read the manual. The degree to which one can safely deviate
from guidelines and still maintain or enhance communicate becomes more
apparent with experience, which is something that most airline
captains have in abundance.

However, if you ever hear a captain say the "wrong" thing on the
radio, you can certainly call over an FA and insist that she
communicate your displeasure to him, and perhaps he'll look at the
book before he hits the PTT button next time. Most airline captains
are eager to win the approval of low-time GA pilots back in the cabin,
and will even instruct their crews to actively seek out the counsel of
these experts to bring back to the cockpit.

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