I've had it.

Bob Gardner wrote:
I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the temptation.
The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless. There is very little
"meat" in the postings...sushidot is about the only poster interested in
learning anything. If anyone is looking for me, I hang out in the AOPA
Forum, Pilots of America, and Purple boards.

That's a little unfair, I'm here to learn as are many other people. I think
there are many pilots here wanting to teach, discuss, and learn, but people
insist on feeding the trolls and going off on tangents, both which dilute
the good information with noise. Also, there are many folks out there that
never post, but read the posts to learn - you never hear of many of these
pilots. I do see your point though.

Hilton

Hilton wrote:
Bob Gardner wrote:
I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the temptation.
The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless. There is very little
"meat" in the postings...sushidot is about the only poster interested in
learning anything. If anyone is looking for me, I hang out in the AOPA
Forum, Pilots of America, and Purple boards.

That's a little unfair, I'm here to learn as are many other people. I think
there are many pilots here wanting to teach, discuss, and learn, but people
insist on feeding the trolls and going off on tangents, both which dilute
the good information with noise. Also, there are many folks out there that
never post, but read the posts to learn - you never hear of many of these
pilots. I do see your point though.

Hilton


I have to admit it Hilton. I agree with Bob. The pain is getting to be
more than the gain. I'm still posting here, but I'm not at all as
enthusiastic about it as I once was.
To tell you the honest truth, my back channel email with pilots is now
much broader than any participation I have on Usenet.
No big deal one way or the other but let's just say it "ain't no fun any
more :-)))"

--
Dudley Henriques

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:54:54 -0400, Dudley Henriques
wrote:


I have to admit it Hilton. I agree with Bob. The pain is getting to be
more than the gain. I'm still posting here, but I'm not at all as
enthusiastic about it as I once was.

I "mark all read", without reading anything, much more than I would
like to. 99% of the messages are two feuding pedantics and one simmer
with issues.

The sad part is that I *like* unmoderated forums, and prefer
newsreaders over web forums. Many web forums use software that is
such a pain to follow, I never go back more than a few times.

B A R R Y wrote:
I "mark all read", without reading anything, much more than I would
like to. 99% of the messages are two feuding pedantics and one simmer
with issues.

I am skipping over quite a few posts myself - but I'm afraid I have helped
contribute to the noise problem by responding to a few of the feuding
parties.

The sad part is that I *like* unmoderated forums, and prefer
newsreaders over web forums. Many web forums use software that is
such a pain to follow, I never go back more than a few times.

Agreed on the web forum software - most of the sites in question use the
same software, alas. Its mechanism for threading makes browsing multiple
threads painful.

Dudley Henriques writes:
I have to admit it Hilton. I agree with Bob.

Ditto -- I just registered with pilotsofamerica too. The s/n ratio
here is getting too low...

Chris

With all you guys leaving, pretty soon I'll have this group all to myself.
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Hilton wrote:
Bob Gardner wrote:

I hate cross-posting, but just this once I will give in to the temptation.
The rec.aviation newsgroups have become useless.

That's a little unfair, I'm here to learn as are many other people. I think
there are many pilots here wanting to teach, discuss, and learn, but people
insist on feeding the trolls and going off on tangents, both which dilute
the good information with noise.

Yeah. I suppose Bob has already left the building, but, you're right.
Right now I'm taking a break from writing CFI lesson plans, and all over
my desk I have the sources I've been using and referencing:

1. Aviation Instructor's Handbook, FAA-8083-9
2. Airplane Flying Handbook, FAA-8083-3A
3. ASA CFI Test Prep
4. 2008 FAR/AIM
5. Sporty's Training Course Outline
6. "The Flight Instructor's Manual" by William Kershner and
7. "Say Again Please - Guide to Radio Communications by Bob Gardner.

I've been thinking about punching out of r.a groups too because they've
become the new urban CB radio. That's my choice, but, it's a real
damned shame that the sheer volume juvenile behavior on this forum has
driven off yet another respected and recommended aviation expert, from
whom many of us have gained or could gain knowledge and proficiency.

I'm disappointed and disgusted. Any one of his posts might be more
useful to general aviation and pilots than the last four or five
thousand name-calling flamefest posts out here by a handful of people
who have sullied the forum's usefulness. It's one thing to have
flamewar or argument threads that people can choose to ignore, but when
the bickering inevitably spills over to every single discussion in the
forum, then the flame has spread from the fireplace to the whole house
and it can no longer serve its purpose. There are plenty of other forums
for yelling and insulting and acting like babies. Let's leave the fire
in the fireplace and the turds in the toilet and try to reserve this
forum for the discussion of aviation.


-C. Gattman
CP-ASEL-IA-AGI - CFI Candidate - Sim Geek - Student Pilot

Aren't lesson plans fun? Don't take them lightly. You will learn a lot,
not only about aviation, but about teaching and about yourself as a teacher.
The time spent developing your own set of lesson plans is time very well
spent.
Jim

Jim Burns wrote:
Aren't lesson plans fun? Don't take them lightly. You will learn a lot,
not only about aviation, but about teaching and about yourself as a teacher.
The time spent developing your own set of lesson plans is time very well
spent.
Jim

I made my own template based on the FOI examples and referred to the
Sporty's training course plans for sequencing. I'd rather use a
documented structure than have my first students be guinea pigs to my
own ideas about how to teach.

Modified the Sporty's sequencing quite a bit to cover the special
emphasis areas and because the FBO I'll be working out of is at a
towered airport underlying a Class C shelf. A student starting there
will need to know about radio communications, towered airport operations
and airspace rules much earlier than somebody flying out of a rural
untowered airport.

I referred to Kershner and Gardner for individual lessons on maneuvers,
radio communications, etc. which is what I'm finishing up now. It seems
a little tedious at first but once the template is done it goes pretty
fast. Reseaching concepts, organizing bullet points and visuals, and
finding ways of explaining things has been -much- more beneficial than
sitting in a ground school lecture or plodding through a textbook.

-c
Went up with Steven (NWPilot) in his C-150 last Saturday and did
"falling leaf" stalls. That was a blast.

"gatt" wrote in message
. ..
...

I referred to Kershner and Gardner for individual lessons on maneuvers,
radio communications, etc. which is what I'm finishing up now. It seems a
little tedious at first but once the template is done it goes pretty fast.
Reseaching concepts, organizing bullet points and visuals, and finding
ways of explaining things has been -much- more beneficial than sitting in
a ground school lecture or plodding through a textbook.


Not a flight instructor, but I will say that I learn a lot more standing in
front of a classroom than I would have as a student...

The first time you teach something is by far the hardest.

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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