AH and minimum equip list

My sailplane lists an Artificial Horizon as part of the minimum
equipment list, I made it that way for safety. Am I now prevented from
flying in competition?

Brad

To be clear, the requirement is not part of the HP-24 design.

Thanks, Bob K.

On Feb 9, 10:07*am, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
To be clear, the requirement is not part of the HP-24 design.

Thanks, Bob K.

So it looks like my Tetra-15 will not be able to compete because I
elected to install an AH for safety reasons.

That's ok................it makes it easier now to continue with
recreational flying rather than see how well it and I might have done
in competition.

Brad

On Feb 9, 10:27*am, Brad wrote:

So it looks like my Tetra-15 will not be able to compete because I
elected to install an AH for safety reasons.

No, that is not necessarily the case. It should be fairly easy to have
your paperwork amended to remove the equipment list. Then you can
carry the AH when you want, and deactivate it for contests.

When I was campaigning the HP-11 I had a 1940s vintage turn gyro in
the center of the panel, but with no vacuum source. It was mostly for
ballast, but it also had a working skin/slip ball. During contests I
just put a Post-It note that said "INOP" on the glass over the turn
needle. Nobody ever dinged me on it.

Thanks, Bob K.

This whole AH / contest debate has reached the point that this morning
XCSoar posted the following on Facebook:

"XCSoar is about to be banned from US soaring competitions. In fact they are
thinking about banning all free, open source applications because they can
not control whether these applications may implement artificial horizons and
other functionality. Apparently the rule makers don't seem to understand how
easy it is to install and use a different app for that... We would like to
ask our US fans to talk to their contacts and put some pressure on the rules
committee to prevent this. If the US will go through with this it is only a
small step until the FAI/IGC think about similar "solutions" to much greater
problems!"

I have flown with both XCSoar and am currently flying with LK8000. These
are great pieces of free software that have evolved to the point that they
have surpassed the capabilities of most, if not all, commercially available
products.

I do hope the XCSoar's Facebook posting is in error allowing resource
limited pilots to compete without having to purchase an inferior product
just for the purpose of contest flying.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"


"Brad" wrote in message
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On Feb 9, 10:07 am, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
To be clear, the requirement is not part of the HP-24 design.

Thanks, Bob K.

So it looks like my Tetra-15 will not be able to compete because I
elected to install an AH for safety reasons.

That's ok................it makes it easier now to continue with
recreational flying rather than see how well it and I might have done
in competition.

Brad

On Feb 24, 9:22*am, "Wayne Paul" wrote:
This whole AH / contest debate has reached the point that this morning
XCSoar posted the following on Facebook:

"XCSoar is about to be banned from US soaring competitions. In fact they are
thinking about banning all free, open source applications because they can
not control whether these applications may implement artificial horizons and
other functionality. Apparently the rule makers don't seem to understand how
easy it is to install and use a different app for that... We would like to
ask our US fans to talk to their contacts and put some pressure on the rules
committee to prevent this. If the US will go through with this it is only a
small step until the FAI/IGC think about similar "solutions" to much greater
problems!"

I have flown with both XCSoar and am currently flying with LK8000. *These
are great pieces of free software that have evolved to the point that they
have surpassed the capabilities of most, if not all, commercially available
products.

I do hope the XCSoar's Facebook posting is in error allowing resource
limited pilots to compete without having to purchase an inferior product
just for the purpose of contest flying.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"

"Brad" *wrote in message

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On Feb 9, 10:07 am, Bob Kuykendall wrote:

To be clear, the requirement is not part of the HP-24 design.

Thanks, Bob K.

So it looks like my Tetra-15 will not be able to compete because I
elected to install an AH for safety reasons.

That's ok................it makes it easier now to continue with
recreational flying rather than see how well it and I might have done
in competition.

Brad

I believe you will find that the artificial horizon generated from GPS
data is not accurate enough for cloud flying. I have heard some talk
of integrating accelerometers.

I've been working with the Dell Streak 5 using XCSoar as part of my
preparation to be as ready for the WGC as possible. Compared to my 10
year old hx4700, with an 8 year old operating system and a 5 year old
version of WinPilot, it is more advanced in every possible way. I've
invested a few $$ and far too many hours to get it integrated into my
panel and other sytems, plus training. If they ban XCSoar, I will be
****ed.

We should probably just go back to cameras. Oh wait! - people figured
out how to cheat with those too.

Derek

Regarding AH apps for Androids - I've downloaded and installed a couple of
them just to see how they work. They're so jittery as to be totally
useless. The other day, I stuck my Android to the window using a suction
cup mount and the talking in the room caused the window glass to vibrate
sufficiently as to render the AH useless. Imagine how it would work in the
cockpit... I've tried it there, too, and, believe me, I'd never attempt to
use it for cloud flying!


"Derek Mackie" wrote in message
...
I've been working with the Dell Streak 5 using XCSoar as part of my
preparation to be as ready for the WGC as possible. Compared to my 10
year old hx4700, with an 8 year old operating system and a 5 year old
version of WinPilot, it is more advanced in every possible way. I've
invested a few $$ and far too many hours to get it integrated into my
panel and other sytems, plus training. If they ban XCSoar, I will be
****ed.

We should probably just go back to cameras. Oh wait! - people figured
out how to cheat with those too.

Derek

Dell Streak and XC Soar are currently being made Illegal by the US Rules Committee. See my other topic on this...

Any free Glide Nav software for that matter and I suspect, any unapproved hardware with a gyro of any sort.

its coming...

On Feb 24, 8:22*am, "Wayne Paul" wrote:
This whole AH / contest debate has reached the point that this morning
XCSoar posted the following on Facebook:

"XCSoar is about to be banned from US soaring competitions. In fact they are
thinking about banning all free, open source applications because they can
not control whether these applications may implement artificial horizons and
other functionality. Apparently the rule makers don't seem to understand how
easy it is to install and use a different app for that... We would like to
ask our US fans to talk to their contacts and put some pressure on the rules
committee to prevent this. If the US will go through with this it is only a
small step until the FAI/IGC think about similar "solutions" to much greater
problems!"

I have flown with both XCSoar and am currently flying with LK8000. *These
are great pieces of free software that have evolved to the point that they
have surpassed the capabilities of most, if not all, commercially available
products.

I do hope the XCSoar's Facebook posting is in error allowing resource
limited pilots to compete without having to purchase an inferior product
just for the purpose of contest flying.

Wayne
HP-14 "6F"


It has nothing to do with free. XCsoar can put in the same features to
turn off the AH in competitions as other software can do. This is a
tiny amount of programming compared to the enormous amount they have
already done.
John Cochrane