AH and minimum equip list

On Feb 24, 9:42*am, Sean Fidler wrote:
So you dont think that someone who wants to cheat will write his own code or us the many existing apps to get an AH working?

YOU CANNOT CONTROL THIS GUYS! *There are too many gyro equipped electronic devices available for you to ban...........

ALL YOU ARE DOING IS AGGRAVATING US! *Soon the sport is going to consist of 15 guys and we will all be flying OLC...

If someone really wants to cheat they will find a way...

There are many ways for people who want to cheat to do so, far more
effective than sneaking an AH on board.

How do we "control" it? A: we don't. We do what we can for the obvious
easy and public temptations, and we have a strong culture of
sportsmanship for the rest. The only reward in this game is the sense
of accomplishment and the respect of your peers.

I thought we agreed that the RC would poll the AH ban in the fall, so
we could all get facts on what pilots actually want, and you would
leave this crusade alone for a season?

John Cochrane

John,

Apparently the definition of AH is expanding...beyond an AH or Turn and Bank.

It now seems to include XC Soar, LK 8000 and any instrument manufacturer/software firm with any related technology. Apparently if they do not immediately comply with the rules committee's requirements to adjust (rewrite code) for a rule they will be banned from competition as soon as the new (black) "list" is released. This is a rule that has been exposed for years. And now everybody (pilots and manufactures have to JUMP!

I am not pleased. Crusade is back on for now...sorry.

The cheater will simply build his own capability into a PNA or whatever...and cheat nonetheless.

And I have not really even begun to run here. I am honestly try to stay away here. Its not about ME...its about the many who have spend $500 (new Dell PDA/Android, new comm board, research, practice, etc) and many days getting their XC soar ready for this season so they could have a sunlight readable display at the one regional contest they do a year. Just makes me sad.

Now they likely (according to Hanks conversations with XC Soar) have to get something else for the contests. They are ****ed off. We all listen to what XC soar has to say, take them at their word and take it seriously.

Yes...this is upsetting to me and many others. Words matter.

The only reward in this game is the sense
of accomplishment and the respect of your peers.

John,

And this is also obtained by those who for many reasons chose to fly
OLC instead of SSA sanctioned races.

Regards,
Brad

Brad's mention of the OLC brings up a XCSoar/LK8000 feature for all of those
who are still flying with the "old" Cambridge flight recorders. As you all
know, the IGC files from these recorders are no longer accepted by the OLC
software. However, both XCSoar and LK8000 create acceptable OLC IGC files.
In the past these files were also accepted at US Contests.

I have tested the LK8000 AH in VFR flight conditions and found it not to
respond to attitude changes fast enough for cloud flying. The AH screen is
titled "Experimental - Not for IFR usage" for a reason!!!

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/


"Brad" wrote in message
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The only reward in this game is the sense
of accomplishment and the respect of your peers.

John,

And this is also obtained by those who for many reasons chose to fly
OLC instead of SSA sanctioned races.

Regards,
Brad

I'd read that the AH was already disabled in XCSoar so, today, since I was
towing, I took my Samsung Android and a leg strap and hopped into the
Pawnee. The AH was a nice blue on top, brown on bottom, little aircraft
symbol situated in an info box of about 1 cm square. It did not move at all
during flight (which I expected). Totally disabled and unuseable for
anything other than occupying space.


"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
m...
Brad's mention of the OLC brings up a XCSoar/LK8000 feature for all of
those who are still flying with the "old" Cambridge flight recorders. As
you all know, the IGC files from these recorders are no longer accepted by
the OLC software. However, both XCSoar and LK8000 create acceptable OLC
IGC files. In the past these files were also accepted at US Contests.

I have tested the LK8000 AH in VFR flight conditions and found it not to
respond to attitude changes fast enough for cloud flying. The AH screen
is titled "Experimental - Not for IFR usage" for a reason!!!

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/


"Brad" wrote in message
...

The only reward in this game is the sense
of accomplishment and the respect of your peers.

John,

And this is also obtained by those who for many reasons chose to fly
OLC instead of SSA sanctioned races.

Regards,
Brad

On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 07:31:42 -0800, John Cochrane wrote:

It has nothing to do with free. XCsoar can put in the same features to
turn off the AH in competitions as other software can do. This is a tiny
amount of programming compared to the enormous amount they have already
done.

As an outsider looking in: there is one issue that has been entirely
ducked - how is the CD to know that the banned feature(s) were disabled
during a competition flight?

With all due respect:

- an unenforceable rule has no place in a rule book.

- an enforceable rule requires an unambiguous way of verifying
compliance using specified equipment.

Disclaimer: I may not be a competition glider pilot, but I have a 30+ year
history of designing, building and competing in free flight model
competitions at all levels: IOW I know a little about rules.


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