Repercussions for people outside New Orleans

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What 99.5% of people fail to understand is that without getting certain
parts of the infrstructure back online, it won't matter how much crude
you release from the national reserves because the refining and
delivery system won't be online.

Exactly. If nothing else, this should demonstrate to people just how
thin our supply lines really er... for evrything, not just gasoline.
I have often said that we are now just a disater away from anarchy,
and this hiurricane shows illustrates that.

Listen up people, it is WAY past time for us to develop more of our
own oil reserves and build another refinery (at least). We are now
seeing the absolute total folly of not building required infrastructure
to support our current economic lifestyles.

Personally, if I were in a position of responsibility and had failed
so miserably at maintaining adequate facilities and preparing contingent
operations I should FIRED.... perion, end of story.

"Dylan Smith" wrote in message


The Strategic Oil Reserve is crude oil. With 6 major refineries
currently shut down due to Katrina, releasing that reserve doesn't
really do much if the shortage is now in refining.

There are refineries in operation. The SPR release is to help offset the
dropping offline of nearly 25% of our domestic crude production (Gulf rigs).
My understanding is much of the SPR crude is going to midwest refineries to
keep them running.

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Listen up people, it is WAY past time for us to develop more of our
own oil reserves and build another refinery (at least). We are now
seeing the absolute total folly of not building required infrastructure
to support our current economic lifestyles.

Personally, if I were in a position of responsibility and had failed
so miserably at maintaining adequate facilities and preparing contingent
operations I should FIRED.... perion, end of story.

They can't maintain contingent operations, because they can't build new
refineries -- period.

Look at the environmental laws that restrict refineries. Look at the number
of refineries built since those laws hit the books.

It ain't a coincidence, and anyone who says that the "free market" is at
work here just hasn't looked at the problem.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
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"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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JH Better buy gas, too. The gougers and racketeers have already
JH jumped to $3 per gallon in Des Moines, as of this morning.

Snicker Uh, Jay, that would be free market entrepeneurs. Or have
you suddenly gone righteous/socialist on us?

Thousands of gas stations jacking gas prices nationwide, in lock-step with
each other, because of a trumped up "disaster" (and in the face of the
release of the Strategic Oil Reserve, which will totally off-set any
effect of Katrina) is not "entrepreneurship" -- it's criminal.


What do you think is in the SPR...gasoline?


Mike
MU-2

The price of refined fuel has gone up because of the laws of supply and
demand - there is extra demand as people try to hoard, and restricted
supply because refineries are offline. It's just the free market you're
so enthusiastic about operating in its normal manner.

Anyone who thinks this is the "Free Market" at work clearly hasn't looked
closely at the issues.

Yes, in the very short term, prices shoot up when supply is diminished.
However, between regulation and taxation, there is practically nothing
"free" about the oil/gas market, from supply, through refining, to end-user
sales.
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Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"John T" wrote in message
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"Dylan Smith" wrote in message


The Strategic Oil Reserve is crude oil. With 6 major refineries
currently shut down due to Katrina, releasing that reserve doesn't
really do much if the shortage is now in refining.

There are refineries in operation. The SPR release is to help offset the
dropping offline of nearly 25% of our domestic crude production (Gulf
rigs). My understanding is much of the SPR crude is going to midwest
refineries to keep them running.

--
John T
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There is more refining capacity offline that production capacity. Releasing
crude from the SPR will do nothing.

Mike
MU-2

What do you think is in the SPR...gasoline?

No. Why?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Listen up people, it is WAY past time for us to develop more of our
own oil reserves and build another refinery (at least). We are now
seeing the absolute total folly of not building required infrastructure
to support our current economic lifestyles.

Personally, if I were in a position of responsibility and had failed
so miserably at maintaining adequate facilities and preparing contingent
operations I should FIRED.... perion, end of story.

They can't maintain contingent operations, because they can't build new
refineries -- period.

Look at the environmental laws that restrict refineries. Look at the
number of refineries built since those laws hit the books.

It ain't a coincidence, and anyone who says that the "free market" is at
work here just hasn't looked at the problem.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


What laws are you talking about?

Mike
MU-2

What good is supplying more crude to shut-down refineries going to do?

Mike
MU-2


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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What do you think is in the SPR...gasoline?

No. Why?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

What good is supplying more crude to shut-down refineries going to do?

It's replacing the crude that is (temporarily, we hope) not coming in from
the Gulf oil platforms that have been displaced or destroyed.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"