filing IFR plan for VFR flight conditions

I've recently had a discussion with my A&P/IA about this. He routinely hops
in his turbo arrow, and flies from Virginia to Key West VFR at 11000' without talking
to a soul. Right over top of Class-C and Class-B. What he says, (and I tend to agree
with him anymore), is if you talk to them, even if you're clear of their airspace,
they'll try to route you over hell and gone. Having flown under and over Chicago's
airspace, a number of times, you find this more often than not. Rather than
encouraging the additional safety of flight following, this really discourages working
with the approach controllers. Same thing talking with Milwaukee approach every time
I've gone up there. I'm coming lakeshore from the south, planning to go just outside
of their Class-C on my way in to Capitol, also just outside their Class-C. If I talk
to them, they'll route me 10 miles to the west, every time... even without traffic
conflict.

Of course, as you said, listening to some VFR pilots bumbling on the radio
like they're Smokey and the Bandit, it's no wonder why the controllers would rather
not talk to VFR pilots in general.

-Cory

Dan Luke wrote:

: "Chip Jones" wrote:
: In most locations, like in Houston, this controller
: attitude is pathetically laughable.

: Yes, it's bad in Houston; I never ask them for advisories anymore. Even
: if they do take you, they may fail to call traffic.

: But if you listen to their frequencies on a nice Friday afternoon, you
: can almost understand their attitude. The miserable radio technique of
: a lot of VFR pilots can really clog up the air. It's embarassing to
: listen to, sometimes.
: --
: Dan
: C172RG at BFM



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I've recently had a discussion with my A&P/IA about this. He
routinely hops in his turbo arrow, and flies from Virginia to Key
West VFR at 11000' without talking to a soul.


A violation of FAR 91.159(a).



Right over top of Class-C and Class-B. What he says, (and I tend
to agree with him anymore), is if you talk to them, even if you're clear
of their airspace, they'll try to route you over hell and gone.


Possibly an error on ATC's part over the top of Class C airspace, definitely
an error on their part over Class B airspace.



Having flown under and over Chicago's airspace, a number of
times, you find this more often than not. Rather than encouraging
the additional safety of flight following, this really discourages
working with the approach controllers. Same thing talking with
Milwaukee approach every time I've gone up there. I'm coming
lakeshore from the south, planning to go just outside of their Class-C
on my way in to Capitol, also just outside their Class-C. If I talk
to them, they'll route me 10 miles to the west, every time... even
without traffic conflict.


Class C services are provided to participating VFR traffic in the outer area
just as they are in the Class C proper, but without conflicting IFR traffic
they have no basis upon which to move you.

Hell.. its not just the VFR's who are messin up...

In a 2.4 hour jaunt today from the houston area, to north of Beaumont
and back, I heard a military fighter jock miss a turn-in call and I also
heard a corporate miss theirs as well. I heard two different people try
to use the same xponder code (yea, it was VFR). AND this was in the
middle of a push. Of course, the answer is more controllers... I'm not
holding my breath.

Dave

Dan Luke wrote:

"Chip Jones" wrote:

In most locations, like in Houston, this controller
attitude is pathetically laughable.


Yes, it's bad in Houston; I never ask them for advisories anymore. Even
if they do take you, they may fail to call traffic.

But if you listen to their frequencies on a nice Friday afternoon, you
can almost understand their attitude. The miserable radio technique of
a lot of VFR pilots can really clog up the air. It's embarassing to
listen to, sometimes.

"Dave S" wrote in message
hlink.net...

In a 2.4 hour jaunt today from the houston area, to north of Beaumont
and back, I heard a military fighter jock miss a turn-in call and I also
heard a corporate miss theirs as well. I heard two different people try
to use the same xponder code (yea, it was VFR). AND this was in the
middle of a push. Of course, the answer is more controllers... I'm not
holding my breath.


Why is the answer more controllers?

"Dave S" wrote:
In a 2.4 hour jaunt today from the houston area, to
north of Beaumont and back, I heard a military fighter
jock miss a turn-in call and I also heard a corporate
miss theirs as well.

Well, that'll happen to the best of us! What really makes me cringe is
a pilot forcing a controller to play "20 Questions," as in this exchange
I heard passing New Orleans one day:

"New Orleans approach, Cessna [blocked]."
"Cessna calling New Orleans say again."
"Cessna 1234P."
"Cessna 1234P, say request."
"Uh, Cessna 1234P is with you and we would like flight following."
"Cessna 1234P, say your type aircraft, location, destination and cruise
altitude."
[long pause, with nearly audible sound of controller's foot tapping]
"Cessna 1234P is is coming from Reserve at 1,400."
"Cessna 1234P, say destination and cruise altitude."
"Uh, we're going to Picayune."
[etc., etc.]

New Orleans is the most easygoing of the Class Bs I frequent, and the
long-suffering controller handled this guy with saintly patience, but
this kind of thing is what makes VFR aircraft 2nd-class citizens in the
eyes of many controllers.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM