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2G wrote on 3/13/2021 11:55 AM:
On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:27:24 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: Dan Marotta wrote on 3/12/2021 10:30 AM: Hows a self launch starting at 6,200' MSL up to 18,000' MSL followed by a distance of 350 nautical miles? That's what I'll be doing in June to relocate the Stemme from Moriarty, NM to Rifle, CO. And it might use half a tank of gas. Of course, I'll only do it that way if soaring conditions don't support gliding the whole way. Dan 5J On 3/11/21 6:18 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: How long a self-retrieve distance is the minimum acceptable to you? Ok, you are not a current candidate for an electric motorglider (I knew that already :^) ) But, I'm still interested in Waremark's far smaller requirements. So far, the majority of the pilots I've talked to that are considering moving to an electric self-launcher think 100 sm is enough retrieve distance, and some think 50 miles is plenty. These are the people that are willing to drive from where they live to where they want to fly. I'm one of those people, because my wife and I like to travel in a motorhome with her sewing projects and sewing machine in it. Those must be flat-landers that don't have to clear even taller hills, let alone mountains. Your self-retrieve "distance" vanishes the moment you have to climb to clear an obstacle. Also, the electric self-launchers like the GP15 don't specify the retrieve distance when launching at MTOW. Think of it as getting you to a safe out-landing field which is how one pilot did at Ely last summer (and he took tows). According to figures I have for the GP15, launching to 2600' agl at 8.5lb/ft2 uses about 20% of the available energy (big battery); launching at 12 lb/ft2 would use about 28%. So, max retrieve range would decrease comparably from 93 sm to 84 sm. Catch a thermal sooner, stop the motor at 2000' agl, and it'd use 22%, so wold get 90 sm with the 12 lb/ft2 launch. How often have you had to motor home more than 90 sm? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 |
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On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 7:59:59 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
2G wrote on 3/13/2021 11:55 AM: On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:27:24 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: Dan Marotta wrote on 3/12/2021 10:30 AM: Hows a self launch starting at 6,200' MSL up to 18,000' MSL followed by a distance of 350 nautical miles? That's what I'll be doing in June to relocate the Stemme from Moriarty, NM to Rifle, CO. And it might use half a tank of gas. Of course, I'll only do it that way if soaring conditions don't support gliding the whole way. Dan 5J On 3/11/21 6:18 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: How long a self-retrieve distance is the minimum acceptable to you? Ok, you are not a current candidate for an electric motorglider (I knew that already :^) ) But, I'm still interested in Waremark's far smaller requirements. So far, the majority of the pilots I've talked to that are considering moving to an electric self-launcher think 100 sm is enough retrieve distance, and some think 50 miles is plenty. These are the people that are willing to drive from where they live to where they want to fly. I'm one of those people, because my wife and I like to travel in a motorhome with her sewing projects and sewing machine in it. Those must be flat-landers that don't have to clear even taller hills, let alone mountains. Your self-retrieve "distance" vanishes the moment you have to climb to clear an obstacle. Also, the electric self-launchers like the GP15 don't specify the retrieve distance when launching at MTOW. Think of it as getting you to a safe out-landing field which is how one pilot did at Ely last summer (and he took tows). According to figures I have for the GP15, launching to 2600' agl at 8.5lb/ft2 uses about 20% of the available energy (big battery); launching at 12 lb/ft2 would use about 28%. So, max retrieve range would decrease comparably from 93 sm to 84 sm. Catch a thermal sooner, stop the motor at 2000' agl, and it'd use 22%, so wold get 90 sm with the 12 lb/ft2 launch. How often have you had to motor home more than 90 sm? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 Just a few times, but I wasn't flying a 15M glider, either. In two seasons of flying the 31Mi I have only done one precautionary 5 mile "retrieve" only because I didn't want to do a marginal glide. Again, you ignore having to climb over obstacles. What would happen if you were 70 sm out AND had to climb 3,000 ft? And, then, throw in a 20 kt headwind. I probably wouldn't even consider flying the GP15 at Ely. Tom |
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2G wrote on 3/15/2021 3:31 PM:
On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 7:59:59 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: 2G wrote on 3/13/2021 11:55 AM: On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:27:24 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: Dan Marotta wrote on 3/12/2021 10:30 AM: Hows a self launch starting at 6,200' MSL up to 18,000' MSL followed by a distance of 350 nautical miles? That's what I'll be doing in June to relocate the Stemme from Moriarty, NM to Rifle, CO. And it might use half a tank of gas. Of course, I'll only do it that way if soaring conditions don't support gliding the whole way. Dan 5J On 3/11/21 6:18 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: How long a self-retrieve distance is the minimum acceptable to you? Ok, you are not a current candidate for an electric motorglider (I knew that already :^) ) But, I'm still interested in Waremark's far smaller requirements. So far, the majority of the pilots I've talked to that are considering moving to an electric self-launcher think 100 sm is enough retrieve distance, and some think 50 miles is plenty. These are the people that are willing to drive from where they live to where they want to fly. I'm one of those people, because my wife and I like to travel in a motorhome with her sewing projects and sewing machine in it. Those must be flat-landers that don't have to clear even taller hills, let alone mountains. Your self-retrieve "distance" vanishes the moment you have to climb to clear an obstacle. Also, the electric self-launchers like the GP15 don't specify the retrieve distance when launching at MTOW. Think of it as getting you to a safe out-landing field which is how one pilot did at Ely last summer (and he took tows). According to figures I have for the GP15, launching to 2600' agl at 8.5lb/ft2 uses about 20% of the available energy (big battery); launching at 12 lb/ft2 would use about 28%. So, max retrieve range would decrease comparably from 93 sm to 84 sm. Catch a thermal sooner, stop the motor at 2000' agl, and it'd use 22%, so wold get 90 sm with the 12 lb/ft2 launch. How often have you had to motor home more than 90 sm? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 Just a few times, but I wasn't flying a 15M glider, either. In two seasons of flying the 31Mi I have only done one precautionary 5 mile "retrieve" only because I didn't want to do a marginal glide. Again, you ignore having to climb over obstacles. What would happen if you were 70 sm out AND had to climb 3,000 ft? And, then, throw in a 20 kt headwind. I probably wouldn't even consider flying the GP15 at Ely. The answer to the situation you propose (not enough range to get home) is a simple one: land at the airport that makes for the shortest retrieve before the battery runs out, wait for the towplane (or trailer) to come, go home. At Ely, that would be 60+ miles, since airports are so far apart; at Parowan, or home, as close as 20 miles. The main difficulty would likely be the wind, not the 3000' climb, as using a climb/glide flight for the return would already have climbs that exceeded that. Anyway, relax a bit, don't let your range anxiety cloud your thinking. I have 4000+ hours in a motorgliders, much of it in places with mountains - as you know. I assure you, I have used all that experience when considering what glider is suitable for me. After all, I did write the book on operating motorgliders :^) -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 |
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On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 10:10:51 AM UTC+10, Eric Greenwell wrote:
2G wrote on 3/15/2021 3:31 PM: On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 7:59:59 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: 2G wrote on 3/13/2021 11:55 AM: On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:27:24 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: Dan Marotta wrote on 3/12/2021 10:30 AM: Hows a self launch starting at 6,200' MSL up to 18,000' MSL followed by a distance of 350 nautical miles? That's what I'll be doing in June to relocate the Stemme from Moriarty, NM to Rifle, CO. And it might use half a tank of gas. Of course, I'll only do it that way if soaring conditions don't support gliding the whole way. Dan 5J On 3/11/21 6:18 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: How long a self-retrieve distance is the minimum acceptable to you? Ok, you are not a current candidate for an electric motorglider (I knew that already :^) ) But, I'm still interested in Waremark's far smaller requirements. So far, the majority of the pilots I've talked to that are considering moving to an electric self-launcher think 100 sm is enough retrieve distance, and some think 50 miles is plenty. These are the people that are willing to drive from where they live to where they want to fly. I'm one of those people, because my wife and I like to travel in a motorhome with her sewing projects and sewing machine in it. Those must be flat-landers that don't have to clear even taller hills, let alone mountains. Your self-retrieve "distance" vanishes the moment you have to climb to clear an obstacle. Also, the electric self-launchers like the GP15 don't specify the retrieve distance when launching at MTOW. Think of it as getting you to a safe out-landing field which is how one pilot did at Ely last summer (and he took tows). According to figures I have for the GP15, launching to 2600' agl at 8.5lb/ft2 uses about 20% of the available energy (big battery); launching at 12 lb/ft2 would use about 28%. So, max retrieve range would decrease comparably from 93 sm to 84 sm. Catch a thermal sooner, stop the motor at 2000' agl, and it'd use 22%, so wold get 90 sm with the 12 lb/ft2 launch. How often have you had to motor home more than 90 sm? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 Just a few times, but I wasn't flying a 15M glider, either. In two seasons of flying the 31Mi I have only done one precautionary 5 mile "retrieve" only because I didn't want to do a marginal glide. Again, you ignore having to climb over obstacles. What would happen if you were 70 sm out AND had to climb 3,000 ft? And, then, throw in a 20 kt headwind. I probably wouldn't even consider flying the GP15 at Ely. The answer to the situation you propose (not enough range to get home) is a simple one: land at the airport that makes for the shortest retrieve before the battery runs out, wait for the towplane (or trailer) to come, go home. At Ely, that would be 60+ miles, since airports are so far apart; at Parowan, or home, as close as 20 miles. The main difficulty would likely be the wind, not the 3000' climb, as using a climb/glide flight for the return would already have climbs that exceeded that. Anyway, relax a bit, don't let your range anxiety cloud your thinking. I have 4000+ hours in a motorgliders, much of it in places with mountains - as you know. I assure you, I have used all that experience when considering what glider is suitable for me. After all, I did write the book on operating motorgliders :^) -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 Or recharge, then fly home the next day? I take a charger with me in my landout kit. |
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Most of the landout sites 60+ miles out of Ely, better bring a generator too....
On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 5:30:50 PM UTC-7, Matthew Scutter wrote: On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 10:10:51 AM UTC+10, Eric Greenwell wrote: 2G wrote on 3/15/2021 3:31 PM: On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 7:59:59 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: 2G wrote on 3/13/2021 11:55 AM: On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:27:24 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: Dan Marotta wrote on 3/12/2021 10:30 AM: Hows a self launch starting at 6,200' MSL up to 18,000' MSL followed by a distance of 350 nautical miles? That's what I'll be doing in June to relocate the Stemme from Moriarty, NM to Rifle, CO. And it might use half a tank of gas. Of course, I'll only do it that way if soaring conditions don't support gliding the whole way. Dan 5J On 3/11/21 6:18 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: How long a self-retrieve distance is the minimum acceptable to you? Ok, you are not a current candidate for an electric motorglider (I knew that already :^) ) But, I'm still interested in Waremark's far smaller requirements. So far, the majority of the pilots I've talked to that are considering moving to an electric self-launcher think 100 sm is enough retrieve distance, and some think 50 miles is plenty. These are the people that are willing to drive from where they live to where they want to fly. I'm one of those people, because my wife and I like to travel in a motorhome with her sewing projects and sewing machine in it. Those must be flat-landers that don't have to clear even taller hills, let alone mountains. Your self-retrieve "distance" vanishes the moment you have to climb to clear an obstacle. Also, the electric self-launchers like the GP15 don't specify the retrieve distance when launching at MTOW. Think of it as getting you to a safe out-landing field which is how one pilot did at Ely last summer (and he took tows). According to figures I have for the GP15, launching to 2600' agl at 8.5lb/ft2 uses about 20% of the available energy (big battery); launching at 12 lb/ft2 would use about 28%. So, max retrieve range would decrease comparably from 93 sm to 84 sm. Catch a thermal sooner, stop the motor at 2000' agl, and it'd use 22%, so wold get 90 sm with the 12 lb/ft2 launch. How often have you had to motor home more than 90 sm? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 Just a few times, but I wasn't flying a 15M glider, either. In two seasons of flying the 31Mi I have only done one precautionary 5 mile "retrieve" only because I didn't want to do a marginal glide. Again, you ignore having to climb over obstacles. What would happen if you were 70 sm out AND had to climb 3,000 ft? And, then, throw in a 20 kt headwind. I probably wouldn't even consider flying the GP15 at Ely. The answer to the situation you propose (not enough range to get home) is a simple one: land at the airport that makes for the shortest retrieve before the battery runs out, wait for the towplane (or trailer) to come, go home. At Ely, that would be 60+ miles, since airports are so far apart; at Parowan, or home, as close as 20 miles. The main difficulty would likely be the wind, not the 3000' climb, as using a climb/glide flight for the return would already have climbs that exceeded that. Anyway, relax a bit, don't let your range anxiety cloud your thinking. I have 4000+ hours in a motorgliders, much of it in places with mountains - as you know. I assure you, I have used all that experience when considering what glider is suitable for me. After all, I did write the book on operating motorgliders :^) -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 Or recharge, then fly home the next day? I take a charger with me in my landout kit. |
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On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 5:10:51 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
2G wrote on 3/15/2021 3:31 PM: On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 7:59:59 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: 2G wrote on 3/13/2021 11:55 AM: On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:27:24 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: Dan Marotta wrote on 3/12/2021 10:30 AM: Hows a self launch starting at 6,200' MSL up to 18,000' MSL followed by a distance of 350 nautical miles? That's what I'll be doing in June to relocate the Stemme from Moriarty, NM to Rifle, CO. And it might use half a tank of gas. Of course, I'll only do it that way if soaring conditions don't support gliding the whole way. Dan 5J On 3/11/21 6:18 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: How long a self-retrieve distance is the minimum acceptable to you? Ok, you are not a current candidate for an electric motorglider (I knew that already :^) ) But, I'm still interested in Waremark's far smaller requirements. So far, the majority of the pilots I've talked to that are considering moving to an electric self-launcher think 100 sm is enough retrieve distance, and some think 50 miles is plenty. These are the people that are willing to drive from where they live to where they want to fly. I'm one of those people, because my wife and I like to travel in a motorhome with her sewing projects and sewing machine in it. Those must be flat-landers that don't have to clear even taller hills, let alone mountains. Your self-retrieve "distance" vanishes the moment you have to climb to clear an obstacle. Also, the electric self-launchers like the GP15 don't specify the retrieve distance when launching at MTOW. Think of it as getting you to a safe out-landing field which is how one pilot did at Ely last summer (and he took tows). According to figures I have for the GP15, launching to 2600' agl at 8.5lb/ft2 uses about 20% of the available energy (big battery); launching at 12 lb/ft2 would use about 28%. So, max retrieve range would decrease comparably from 93 sm to 84 sm. Catch a thermal sooner, stop the motor at 2000' agl, and it'd use 22%, so wold get 90 sm with the 12 lb/ft2 launch. How often have you had to motor home more than 90 sm? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 Just a few times, but I wasn't flying a 15M glider, either. In two seasons of flying the 31Mi I have only done one precautionary 5 mile "retrieve" only because I didn't want to do a marginal glide. Again, you ignore having to climb over obstacles. What would happen if you were 70 sm out AND had to climb 3,000 ft? And, then, throw in a 20 kt headwind. I probably wouldn't even consider flying the GP15 at Ely. The answer to the situation you propose (not enough range to get home) is a simple one: land at the airport that makes for the shortest retrieve before the battery runs out, wait for the towplane (or trailer) to come, go home. At Ely, that would be 60+ miles, since airports are so far apart; at Parowan, or home, as close as 20 miles. The main difficulty would likely be the wind, not the 3000' climb, as using a climb/glide flight for the return would already have climbs that exceeded that. Anyway, relax a bit, don't let your range anxiety cloud your thinking. I have 4000+ hours in a motorgliders, much of it in places with mountains - as you know. I assure you, I have used all that experience when considering what glider is suitable for me. After all, I did write the book on operating motorgliders :^) -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 The case I cited the pilot did not come remotely close to making it to an airport: he found a small field that was landable. Retrieve was by 4WD and he got back to Ely at 2am. I considered that fortunate as one of the retrieves I went on the pilot didn't get back until more than a day later. That was the retrieve from hell which included dealing with a thunderstorm. No, there is no way I would consider flying the GP15 out of Ely and I, too, have in excess of 4,000 hr of cross country glider time. Tom |
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2G wrote on 3/15/2021 10:59 PM:
On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 5:10:51 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote: 2G wrote on 3/15/2021 3:31 PM: On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 7:59:59 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: 2G wrote on 3/13/2021 11:55 AM: On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:27:24 PM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote: Dan Marotta wrote on 3/12/2021 10:30 AM: Hows a self launch starting at 6,200' MSL up to 18,000' MSL followed by a distance of 350 nautical miles? That's what I'll be doing in June to relocate the Stemme from Moriarty, NM to Rifle, CO. And it might use half a tank of gas. Of course, I'll only do it that way if soaring conditions don't support gliding the whole way. Dan 5J On 3/11/21 6:18 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote: How long a self-retrieve distance is the minimum acceptable to you? Ok, you are not a current candidate for an electric motorglider (I knew that already :^) ) But, I'm still interested in Waremark's far smaller requirements. So far, the majority of the pilots I've talked to that are considering moving to an electric self-launcher think 100 sm is enough retrieve distance, and some think 50 miles is plenty. These are the people that are willing to drive from where they live to where they want to fly. I'm one of those people, because my wife and I like to travel in a motorhome with her sewing projects and sewing machine in it. Those must be flat-landers that don't have to clear even taller hills, let alone mountains. Your self-retrieve "distance" vanishes the moment you have to climb to clear an obstacle. Also, the electric self-launchers like the GP15 don't specify the retrieve distance when launching at MTOW. Think of it as getting you to a safe out-landing field which is how one pilot did at Ely last summer (and he took tows). According to figures I have for the GP15, launching to 2600' agl at 8.5lb/ft2 uses about 20% of the available energy (big battery); launching at 12 lb/ft2 would use about 28%. So, max retrieve range would decrease comparably from 93 sm to 84 sm. Catch a thermal sooner, stop the motor at 2000' agl, and it'd use 22%, so wold get 90 sm with the 12 lb/ft2 launch. How often have you had to motor home more than 90 sm? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 Just a few times, but I wasn't flying a 15M glider, either. In two seasons of flying the 31Mi I have only done one precautionary 5 mile "retrieve" only because I didn't want to do a marginal glide. Again, you ignore having to climb over obstacles. What would happen if you were 70 sm out AND had to climb 3,000 ft? And, then, throw in a 20 kt headwind. I probably wouldn't even consider flying the GP15 at Ely. The answer to the situation you propose (not enough range to get home) is a simple one: land at the airport that makes for the shortest retrieve before the battery runs out, wait for the towplane (or trailer) to come, go home. At Ely, that would be 60+ miles, since airports are so far apart; at Parowan, or home, as close as 20 miles. The main difficulty would likely be the wind, not the 3000' climb, as using a climb/glide flight for the return would already have climbs that exceeded that. Anyway, relax a bit, don't let your range anxiety cloud your thinking. I have 4000+ hours in a motorgliders, much of it in places with mountains - as you know. I assure you, I have used all that experience when considering what glider is suitable for me. After all, I did write the book on operating motorgliders :^) -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 The case I cited the pilot did not come remotely close to making it to an airport: he found a small field that was landable. Retrieve was by 4WD and he got back to Ely at 2am. I considered that fortunate as one of the retrieves I went on the pilot didn't get back until more than a day later. That was the retrieve from hell which included dealing with a thunderstorm. No, there is no way I would consider flying the GP15 out of Ely and I, too, have in excess of 4,000 hr of cross country glider time. The Ely type of area is the major reason I chose the 8.4kWh battery for my GP15, instead of the 4.7kWh battery, as it doubles the launch+retrieve distance. The 4.7 kWh battery is more attractive in areas with more airports, as it allows a lower minimum wing loading, a higher wing loading with only water ballast, and is $5000 cheaper. But many pilots choose to fly in Ely conditions with 15M gliders with ZERO self-retrieve distance, and are clever enough to avoid retrieves from hell. I have good reason to believe I can do the same with "only" 90 miles of retrieve distance ;^) -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 |
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Matthew Scutter wrote on 3/15/2021 5:30 PM:
On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 10:10:51 AM UTC+10, Eric Greenwell wrote: ..... Anyway, relax a bit, don't let your range anxiety cloud your thinking. I have 4000+ hours in a motorgliders, much of it in places with mountains - as you know. I assure you, I have used all that experience when considering what glider is suitable for me. After all, I did write the book on operating motorgliders :^) -- Or recharge, then fly home the next day? I take a charger with me in my landout kit. I'm hoping that will be practical in the GP15. Overnight, even a small 500 watt charger would be enough to add 50 self-retrieve miles to whatever charge was in the battery upon landing. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 |
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One issue not discussed is the duration / altitude of the launch. At Ely, and other sites (Williams is one), the launch may run well over 20 minutes and altitude gain over 3000 feet hunting for lift. The numbers supplied by the manufacturers are for a 1500' gain under 10 minutes. That difference will put a severe dent on the retrieve distances.
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Craig Reinholt wrote on 3/16/2021 7:57 AM:
One issue not discussed is the duration / altitude of the launch. At Ely, and other sites (Williams is one), the launch may run well over 20 minutes and altitude gain over 3000 feet hunting for lift. The numbers supplied by the manufacturers are for a 1500' gain under 10 minutes. That difference will put a severe dent on the retrieve distances. Craig That hasn't been my experience at Ely, where a 2000' launch has almost always done the job, but maybe I'm just lucky :^) Williams is a special case, and some FES will undoubtedly have to take tows just to get to the soaring. It shouldn't be a problem for electrics with 50+ mile range. Note that "the numbers" vary greatly between electric gliders, with some older FES gliders having very limited climbs, and the newer mast-mounted motor systems by Schleicher, Jonkers, and others offering 9,000'-13,000' climbs. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me) - "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation" https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1 |
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