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Why is a standard hold right turns?
It has always struck me odd that a standard landing pattern is left
turns and a standard hold is right turns. Having a left patterns for landing makes a bit of sense, since the pilot is on the left side of the cockpit and has a better view of the runway making left turns. But, for IFR holds, there doesn't seem to be any advantage to one way or the other. Why did they pick right turns to be standard? |
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Roy Smith wrote:
It has always struck me odd that a standard landing pattern is left turns and a standard hold is right turns. Having a left patterns for landing makes a bit of sense, since the pilot is on the left side of the cockpit and has a better view of the runway making left turns. But, for IFR holds, there doesn't seem to be any advantage to one way or the other. Why did they pick right turns to be standard? To balance the wear on the control surfaces. :-) Matt |
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"Roy Smith" wrote in message ... But, for IFR holds, there doesn't seem to be any advantage to one way or the other. Why did they pick right turns to be standard? Um, if you are holding over an airport then you are holding on the opposite side from the traffic pattern? |
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Minimum holding altitude is 2000 agl, according to FAAO 7130.3...hard to
conflict with traffic in the pattern at that altitude. Bob Gardner "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... "Roy Smith" wrote in message ... But, for IFR holds, there doesn't seem to be any advantage to one way or the other. Why did they pick right turns to be standard? Um, if you are holding over an airport then you are holding on the opposite side from the traffic pattern? |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:43:15 -0700, "Bob Gardner"
wrote: Minimum holding altitude is 2000 agl, according to FAAO 7130.3...hard to conflict with traffic in the pattern at that altitude. My copy says "MHA's are determined by the National Flight Procedures Office." It also says 2-11. ALTITUDE LEVELS. ....Holding at 2,000' and below requires use of the appropriate pattern for 2,000'.... Anyway, a local approach has a hold at 2,000 MSL, which is about 1,500 AGL. |
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Greg Esres wrote: On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:43:15 -0700, "Bob Gardner" wrote: Minimum holding altitude is 2000 agl, according to FAAO 7130.3...hard to conflict with traffic in the pattern at that altitude. My copy says "MHA's are determined by the National Flight Procedures Office." It also says 2-11. ALTITUDE LEVELS. ...Holding at 2,000' and below requires use of the appropriate pattern for 2,000'.... Anyway, a local approach has a hold at 2,000 MSL, which is about 1,500 AGL. You're right; there is no 2,000' floor. It's policy to have controlled airspace at least 300 feet below the MHA. That is normally accomplished with Class E 700 AGL airspace. That means, in theory, the MHA could be as low as 1,000 AGL, except no one would design to that assumption. But, 1,200 AGL is certainly possible because 200 feet is the assumed adverse obstacle height where no higher obstacles are recorded in the digital obstacle file. |
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message ... Um, if you are holding over an airport then you are holding on the opposite side from the traffic pattern? Seems rather weak to me. If the weather is good enough for pattern work there wouldn't seem to be much need to hold. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
link.net... | | "C J Campbell" wrote in message | ... | | Um, if you are holding over an airport then you are holding on the | opposite | side from the traffic pattern? | | | Seems rather weak to me. If the weather is good enough for pattern work | there wouldn't seem to be much need to hold. Unless you're anywhere near ORD. Then, if someone waters their house plants, enough water vapor could be injected into the atmosphere through evaporation to cause delays and holds for hours (I'm only marginally joking here). |
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"Randy at Home" wrote in message .cable.rogers.com... Unless you're anywhere near ORD. Then, if someone waters their house plants, enough water vapor could be injected into the atmosphere through evaporation to cause delays and holds for hours (I'm only marginally joking here). How much pattern work is conducted at ORD? |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
link.net... | | "Randy at Home" wrote in | message | .cable.rogers.com... | | Unless you're anywhere near ORD. Then, if someone waters their | house plants, enough water vapor could be injected into the | atmosphere through evaporation to cause delays and holds for | hours (I'm only marginally joking here). | | | How much pattern work is conducted at ORD? Oh, I know. None. But I couldn't resist. Sorry, Steven. I've been through there twice a week for the past 16 months and have been on-time less than 20 times. ATC is continually, and inappropriately, blamed. |
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