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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
Phil J wrote in
: On Feb 25, 1:41*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Tina wrote in news:80235b82-304b-468a-9d04- : The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Surrender" and "Collaborate." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability. Bull****. They did make an attempt and they did ask for help, which was no t forthcoming, from the Brits, who made a halfhearted effort, and from the US, who sold them some equipment. Not to say there weren't some who welcomed the Germans.... And it turns out they were right about Iraq... Of course, my magic eight ball had a better chance of getting it right that that twit in the white house.. Bertie The French take a lot of heat about their surrender in World War II. It wasn't exactly their finest hour, but they certainly weren't the only country to surrender to the Germans. The Germans embarrassed everybody at the start of that war. They could even have clobbered the English army at Dunkirk if Hitler hadn't held back his generals, and they certainly could have invaded and occupied England at any time in the first few years of the war. Churchill was so concerned about it that he ordered the English army to prepare to use poison gas to defend England's beaches in the event of a German invasion. What some Americans may not realize is that the Germans embarrassed the U.S. as well. German submarines absolutely devastated our shipping off the east coast of the United States in the early years of the war. If you want to read an excellent book about the Battle of the Atlantic, I recommend Black May by Michael Gannon. As unprepared as American was at that time, if the U.S. had been part of Europe, Germany could have rolled over us as well. Germany's use of advanced technology and advanced tactics put them ahead of every other country on the planet at that time. Absolutely. The current anti french campaign ( for want of a better word) is complete and utter BS. Bertie |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
As unprepared as American was at that time, if the U.S. had been part
of Europe, Germany could have rolled over us as well. Germany's use of advanced technology and advanced tactics put them ahead of every other country on the planet at that time. I don't think anyone makes fun of the French for surrendering to Hitler's blitzkrieg. The Wehrmacht rolled over everything in its path, until Hitler decided that they should winter in the Soviet Union. Bad move for them, good for us. No, what makes the French the butt of so many jokes was their collaboration with the Nazis after the surrender. The Vichy government was an abomination. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
On Feb 28, 1:16*pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
As unprepared as American was at that time, if the U.S. had been part of Europe, Germany could have rolled over us as well. *Germany's use of advanced technology and advanced tactics put them ahead of every other country on the planet at that time. I don't think anyone makes fun of the French for surrendering to Hitler's blitzkrieg. *The Wehrmacht rolled over everything in its path, until Hitler decided that they should winter in the Soviet Union. * Bad move for them, good for us. No, what makes the French the butt of so many jokes was their collaboration with the Nazis after the surrender. * The Vichy government was an abomination. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" Yeah, the collaboration is part of it. But I think the French had an extra-embarrassing surrender because they had invested so much in their "impregnable" Maginot line. When the Germans simply went around it, it really made the French look like fools. Phil |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
"Phil J" wrote in message ... Yeah, the collaboration is part of it. But I think the French had an extra-embarrassing surrender because they had invested so much in their "impregnable" Maginot line. When the Germans simply went around it, it really made the French look like fools. Why does that make the French look like fools? If the Germans had gone THROUGH their "impregnable" Maginot line the French would surely have looked like fools, but forcing the Germans to circumvent the line was one of the reasons for building it. The French expected the Maginot Line to be bypassed and had therefore massed the majority of their army on the Belgian border. The Germans rolled over those troops rather easily. The few Maginot fortifications which were actually attacked by the Germans held up rather well. |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
Phil J wrote in
: On Feb 28, 1:16*pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote: As unprepared as American was at that time, if the U.S. had been part of Europe, Germany could have rolled over us as well. *Germany's use of advanced technology and advanced tactics put them ahead of every other country on the planet at that time. I don't think anyone makes fun of the French for surrendering to Hitler's blitzkrieg. *The Wehrmacht rolled over everything in its path, until Hit ler decided that they should winter in the Soviet Union. * Bad move for them , good for us. No, what makes the French the butt of so many jokes was their collaboratio n with the Nazis after the surrender. * The Vichy government was an abomination. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" Yeah, the collaboration is part of it. But I think the French had an extra-embarrassing surrender because they had invested so much in their "impregnable" Maginot line. When the Germans simply went around it, it really made the French look like fools. People who live in glass houses. Bertie |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
On 28 Feb, 19:16, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
As unprepared as American was at that time, if the U.S. had been part of Europe, Germany could have rolled over us as well. *Germany's use of advanced technology and advanced tactics put them ahead of every other country on the planet at that time. I don't think anyone makes fun of the French for surrendering to Hitler's blitzkrieg. *The Wehrmacht rolled over everything in its path, until Hitler decided that they should winter in the Soviet Union. * Bad move for them, good for us. No, what makes the French the butt of so many jokes was their collaboration with the Nazis after the surrender. * The Vichy government was an abomination. You're an idiot, Jay. Bertie |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
Jay Honeck schrieb:
No, what makes the French the butt of so many jokes was their collaboration with the Nazis after the surrender. The Vichy government was an abomination. Of course it never dawned upon you that the governement was not "the French"? Ever heard of something like the Résistence? |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
Of course it never dawned upon you that the governement was not "the
French"? Ever heard of something like the Résistence? Sure. So? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:tMDxj.1303$TT4.589@attbi_s22: I don't think Obviously Bertie |
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Way off topic, but it has do to with the French
Phil J wrote:
Germany's use of advanced technology and advanced tactics put them ahead of every other country on the planet at that time. Only part of that is true. At the start of the war German tanks were generally regarded as inferior to their contemporaries. It was generally superior tactics and training that won their battles. In fact at the outset of the invasion of Russia, the Russian T-34 was superior in pretty much every way to anything the Germans had. (I wasted part of my youth playing board wargames such as Avalon Hill's "PanzerBlitz" and learned a bit about the equipment and tactics of the era.) Refs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_...n_World_War_II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerblitz |
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