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"Sam Spade" wrote in message news:FO%7g.176005$bm6.51757@fed1read04... In your usual evasive style I noticed you ignored my post about service volumnes and VFR on top. Based on your post, he evaded EVERYTHING (i.e., original post is totally blank). |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote in message news:XSg7g.175495$bm6.14199@fed1read04... And, we hope it is applied. Application is not optional. So long as no one forgets or makes a mistake. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:
"Ron Lee" wrote in message ... You have neither answered my questions nor done what I suggested. Why not? Your "questions" were actually one question. I answered them when I said anything can malfunction. I'll do what you suggested after you send me money to pay for the flight. I'm left to conclude you cannot answer my question. I'm left to conclude that you are not a pilot to entrust with anyone's life. Do you need a reg to tell you not to fly into thunderstorms? Do you need a reg to tell you not to fly into known icing conditions with an aircraft not approved for it? Do as you wish. Just don't take anyone with you should you fall prey to Darwinism. Ron Lee |
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"Ron Lee" wrote in message ... I'm left to conclude that you are not a pilot to entrust with anyone's life. Upon what do you base that conclusion? Do you need a reg to tell you not to fly into thunderstorms? Nope. Do you? Do you need a reg to tell you not to fly into known icing conditions with an aircraft not approved for it? Nope do you? Do as you wish. Just don't take anyone with you should you fall prey to Darwinism. Do you see any similarity at all between flying into thunderstorms or flying into known icing conditions with an aircraft not approved for it and enroute IFR navigation by handheld GPS in US controlled airspace? |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: But those ordinary VOR receivers will do approximately nothing for you, when flying direct to a faraway VOR they cannot pick up yet, thus they are not "appropriate to the ground facilities to be used". They're fully appropriate when I'm actually using them. This rather Clintonian argument ("to be used" vs "I wish to use") opens the door to kooky things like flying an ILS with a handheld GPS. ("Sure I have one on board, but the FARs don't say I have to USE it ...."), or ignoring monitoring instruments ("my engine oil temp may have been at redline, but I don't have to LOOK at it"). A 91.13 citation would fit perfectly, should something go wrong. - FChE |
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"Frank Ch. Eigler" wrote in message ... Folks, take notice of the absurd lengths the true believers have to go to justify their faith. This rather Clintonian argument ("to be used" vs "I wish to use") opens the door to kooky things like flying an ILS with a handheld GPS. ("Sure I have one on board, but the FARs don't say I have to USE it ..."), or ignoring monitoring instruments ("my engine oil temp may have been at redline, but I don't have to LOOK at it"). How would it open that door? Why would anyone attempt to fly an ILS with a GPS of any kind instead of the LOC and GS receivers? I've already pointed out that I'm in full compliance with FAR 91.205, I have navigational equipment appropriate to all the ground facilities that may be used. A 91.13 citation would fit perfectly, should something go wrong. Actually, it wouldn't fit at all. FAR 91.13 applies to operation of an aircraft in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another. |
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Ron Lee wrote: I'm left to conclude that you are not a pilot to entrust with anyone's life. Do you need a reg to tell you not to fly into thunderstorms? Do you need a reg to tell you not to fly into known icing conditions with an aircraft not approved for it? Do as you wish. Just don't take anyone with you should you fall prey to Darwinism. Ron Lee So you now assume that navigating direct with a handheld GPS is dangerous? Why is that? I can understand why people disagree whether its "legal" or not, but safety? And pushing RAIM won't convince me. I've seen almost as many IFR panel mount units give unreliable data or drop out unexpectedly as I have seen that happen in handhelds. And just a couple of days ago someone related the story in another thread regarding his glideslope instrumentation going bad and causing the autopilot, on a coupled ILS, to reach DH some two miles early. I'd call that a safety issue. |
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Bob Noel wrote: If you don't understand RAIM, then why bother asking about safety? I didn't say I didn't understand RAIM. I just don't care. I am not convinced that it is necessary for enroute navigation that can be "safely" accomplished with 30-year old VOR receivers. My question is how is using a handheld GPS while in radar contact unsafe? Or more to the point, how is it less safe than using a combination of radar vectors and VORs? Is "fly heading 320, direct XYZ VOR when able" any safer? Sure a panel-mount TSOed IFR approved GPS is supposed to tell you when its got an inconsistent solution of your position, and therefore it is more reliable than a handheld, but we're not comparing panel mounts with handhelds. We're comparing ADF/VOR navigation with handheld GPS. Peter |
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