passengers consuming alcohol on a part 91 flight

I don't have FAR with me, but I remember somewhere in the FAR that you are
responsibility for the safety of flight. So, this rule does apply to your
situation. If your passengers are drunk and wild, then it is compromising
the safety of flight. If they can handle their drink, there is no rule that
prevent them from taking ride as long as they are not in PIC. Since, I fly a
very small aircraft, I wouldn't allow anyone who is drinking onboard. There
are no specific rules that prevent them from consuming alcohol onboard. Keep
in mind, if they are drinking at high attitude in non-pressured plane, they
will get drunk on their normal consumption (lack of oxygen). They probably
don't know this. Therefore, the risk factor is extremely high in your
situation.


Toks Desalu

Dave wrote:

I'm unable to find the regulation I was told about where passengers
may *not* consume alcohol in an airplane flying under part 91. Can
someone help?

While we are on this topic, 61.15(d) states:

"Each person holding a certificate issued under this part shall provide
a written report of each *motor vehicle* action to the FAA... no later
than 60 days"

So, if you are involved in an *automobile* DUI, you must report it to
the FAA within 60 days.

Failure to do so could result in revocation of your pilot certificate.

It doesn't seem fair, but if it happens, report it!

"m pautz" wrote in message
news:WXHBc.90487$0y.35651@attbi_s03...
Dave wrote:

I'm unable to find the regulation I was told about where passengers
may *not* consume alcohol in an airplane flying under part 91. Can
someone help?

Considering that Part 91 covers corporate flights and most all of these
aircraft have very nice and well stocked "refreshment" cabinets (i.e.,
"bars"), that would be unusual. Someone should tell Cessna, since all of
their bizjet ads are quite emphatic about this. :~)

Are you thinking of 91.17(b)?
Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a person who
appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or physical
indications that the individual is under the influence of drugs (except a
medical patient under proper care) to be carried in that aircraft.

So what about the person who doesn't appear to be intoxicated at the start
of a flight, but enters that state in flight. Does this FAR give you the
duty to eject mid-air, or would you be forgiven for landing as soon as
practicable?

-- David Brooks

"Dave S" wrote in message
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I believe there is a restriction on carrying obviously intoxicated or
impaired individuals, but no restriction on serving the intoxicants.

Dave

Dave wrote:
I'm unable to find the regulation I was told about where passengers
may *not* consume alcohol in an airplane flying under part 91. Can
someone help?

Wasn't there one where the passenger (a pilot too) was asleep in the
back, and was held to be responsible?

The only reference that anyone has been able to give me on this was to
a real incident in which an FAA Inspector in the back seat was held
responsible for an accident. However, he was giving instructions to
the PIC on a checkride, so there is some justice in the ruling.

"David Brooks" wrote in message
...
Are you thinking of 91.17(b)?
Except in an emergency, no pilot of a civil aircraft may allow a person
who
appears to be intoxicated or who demonstrates by manner or physical
indications that the individual is under the influence of drugs (except a
medical patient under proper care) to be carried in that aircraft.

So what about the person who doesn't appear to be intoxicated at the start
of a flight, but enters that state in flight. Does this FAR give you the
duty to eject mid-air, or would you be forgiven for landing as soon as
practicable?


Ejecting someone in mid-air would violate the regulations unless the pilot
has first determined that there will be no damage to persons or property
below.

Actually, it is the duty of the pilot to see that his passengers do not
become intoxicated during the flight. If they do, then you have already
violated the regulations.

"Dave" wrote in message
om...
I'm unable to find the regulation I was told about where passengers
may *not* consume alcohol in an airplane flying under part 91. Can
someone help?

You can't find it because it doesn't exist.

"Teacherjh" wrote in message But if this passenger also happens to be a
pilot, especially one with more hours and a higher rating than you, doesn't
it become careless and wreckless?

Enforcement cases went along this guideline 20 years ago, but not now. These
days, they go after anyone who embarasses them, no matter their hours or
ratings.

D.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Actually, it is the duty of the pilot to see that his passengers do not
become intoxicated during the flight. If they do, then you have already
violated the regulations.

Which ones?

I imagine it would be if you touched the controls. Otherwise not. You wouldn't
have been legal to be PIC. Having said that, were I in that situation, I would
have taken survival over a possible license action any day. Thought it's not
legal, one drink at dinner doesn't impair anybody to the point that they couldn't
save an out-of-control plane from going TU. Anyway, unless the real PIC is
dead/coma or points a finger at you, there's just nothing there for the
authorities go after you for.

Steve Robertson

Teacherjh wrote:


Let me guess ... You had a drink at
dinner then jumped in the right seat of a spam can piloted by your buddy who
got
his PPL last week. He bent the plane on landing. Maybe you even were helping
him
land 'cause he was in over his head. Have I about got it all right?


If you mean "did t his happen", then no. Nothing like that happened. (in
fact, the issue is hypothetical). But suppose it were exactly that. Would my
ticket be in jeopardy? I'd bet it would.

Jose

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