Europe as joke

For the rebuilding of Iraq, the United States has pledged $20 billion,
Japan has pledged $1.5 billion, and the European Union has pledged
$235 million.

How can anyone take Europe seriously as a force in the world?

Someone please remind me how much the U.S. has spent in the former
Yugoslavia. How many billions have we ****ed away, putting out fires
in Europe's outhouse? Why are we continuing to put men and treasure
into the Balkans?

(I say this with a salute to Britain, Poland, Spain, Italy, and even
Holland, who have indeed put cash and troops into Iraq. Europe is not
entirely defined by France and Germany.)

all the best -- Dan Ford
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For the rebuilding of Iraq, the United States has pledged $20 billion,
Japan has pledged $1.5 billion, and the European Union has pledged
$235 million.

How can anyone take Europe seriously as a force in the world?

It's easy. Don't forget why Irak has to be rebuilt. We didn't invade Bosnia.


Someone please remind me how much the U.S. has spent in the former
Yugoslavia. How many billions have we ****ed away, putting out fires
in Europe's outhouse? Why are we continuing to put men and treasure
into the Balkans?

Because Carlyle, Halliburton, KBR, MPCI and indirectly half the White House
and the Pentagone is making huge personnal $ out of it ?

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It's easy. Don't forget why Irak has to be rebuilt. We didn't invade Bosnia.

Military forces were "permitted" to enter Bosnia through an agreement, Kosovo
and Macedonia as well. This doesn't change the fact that Europe demanded US
involvement even though the situation in the former Republics of Yugoslavia had
no impact on US national security. As a side note, ground forces were deployed
under "peaceful" circumstances, but air forces bombed targets in Bosnia, Kosovo
and Serbia, once again, with US forces making up the majority.

If it were up to me, I'd pull every US military member out of the Balkans to
ease the Iraq burden. Europe doesn't want to help out in Iraq, fine we can
ease our burden at their expense.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

BUFDRVR wrote:

It's easy. Don't forget why Irak has to be rebuilt. We didn't invade Bosnia.

Military forces were "permitted" to enter Bosnia through an agreement, Kosovo
and Macedonia as well. This doesn't change the fact that Europe demanded US
involvement even though the situation in the former Republics of Yugoslavia had
no impact on US national security. As a side note, ground forces were deployed
under "peaceful" circumstances, but air forces bombed targets in Bosnia, Kosovo
and Serbia, once again, with US forces making up the majority.

If it were up to me, I'd pull every US military member out of the Balkans to
ease the Iraq burden. Europe doesn't want to help out in Iraq, fine we can
ease our burden at their expense.

Totally agree!

It still really frosts me to hear a Euro complain that the US wasn't willing
to put ground troops in the mix for Kosovo, thereby whimping out.

Yet did provide something like 90% of the air assets for the Kosovo campaign,
which wouldn't have happened unless the US agreed to be involved.

All for interest that were nil for America.

We really are dumb schmucks!


SMH

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BUFDRVR wrote:

It's easy. Don't forget why Irak has to be rebuilt. We didn't invade
Bosnia.

Military forces were "permitted" to enter Bosnia through an agreement,
Kosovo
and Macedonia as well. This doesn't change the fact that Europe
demanded US
involvement even though the situation in the former Republics of
Yugoslavia had
no impact on US national security. As a side note, ground forces were
deployed
under "peaceful" circumstances, but air forces bombed targets in Bosnia,
Kosovo
and Serbia, once again, with US forces making up the majority.

If it were up to me, I'd pull every US military member out of the
Balkans to
ease the Iraq burden. Europe doesn't want to help out in Iraq, fine we
can
ease our burden at their expense.

Totally agree!

It still really frosts me to hear a Euro complain that the US wasn't
willing
to put ground troops in the mix for Kosovo, thereby whimping out.

Yet did provide something like 90% of the air assets for the Kosovo
campaign,
which wouldn't have happened unless the US agreed to be involved.

All for interest that were nil for America.

We really are dumb schmucks!

And sending yet more troops.
One of the units in for training a month or so back is slated to
be sent to over next year.

On 24 Oct 2003 22:26:04 GMT, BUFDRVR wrote:

If it were up to me, I'd pull every US military member out of the Balkans to
ease the Iraq burden. Europe doesn't want to help out in Iraq, fine we can
ease our burden at their expense.

That's not a bad idea.

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people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
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It's easy. Don't forget why Irak has to be rebuilt. We didn't invade Bosnia.

Huh? Bosnia was the victim; Serbia was the aggressor. (More
accurately, it was a civil war in the former Yugoslavia.) "NATO"
bombed the hell out of Serbia, and dropped not a few munitions on
Bosnia as well.

Slobo had the wisdom to surrender before an invasion was necessary.
(Who would have supplied most of the troops for such an invasion, do
you suppose? Would Holland have even sent its marching band?) There
was a war nevertheless, and the damage has to be paid for. Who is
paying the bill for that long-ago war?

Out of every euro that paid for the Balkans war, in which the U.S. had
no interest whatsoever, did the U.S. not pay at least 50 cents?


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

On 24 Oct 2003 22:26:04 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

It's easy. Don't forget why Irak has to be rebuilt. We didn't invade Bosnia.

Military forces were "permitted" to enter Bosnia through an agreement, Kosovo
and Macedonia as well. This doesn't change the fact that Europe demanded US
involvement even though the situation in the former Republics of Yugoslavia had
no impact on US national security. As a side note, ground forces were deployed
under "peaceful" circumstances, but air forces bombed targets in Bosnia, Kosovo
and Serbia, once again, with US forces making up the majority.

If it were up to me, I'd pull every US military member out of the Balkans to
ease the Iraq burden. Europe doesn't want to help out in Iraq, fine we can
ease our burden at their expense.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Buf

We should pull all of our Forces out of Europe, and state that they will never
return. We have defended those weak kneed little ****s long enough, time
for them to do their own dirty work!!!! We should also kill any arms deals with
France and Germany.

Al Minyard

We should pull all of our Forces out of Europe, and state that they will
never
return. We have defended those weak kneed little ****s long enough, time
for them to do their own dirty work!!!! We should also kill any arms deals
with
France and Germany.

Not likely, but what is highly likely over the next four years is the movement
of European based US forces east and southeast. Naval, Air and land forces will
move closer to where the action is (Asia) and in return for huge investment
(bases need to be modernized) they'll find a more accepting population, better
training spaces and much more cooperative governments. I think we'll keep some
of the headquartersin western Europe, but every other uniformed US personel
will leave where they are currently stationed. Should be interesting.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On 25 Oct 2003 17:32:07 GMT, BUFDRVR wrote:

Not likely, but what is highly likely over the next four years is the movement
of European based US forces east and southeast. Naval, Air and land forces will
move closer to where the action is (Asia) and in return for huge investment
(bases need to be modernized) they'll find a more accepting population,

I suspect US forces would be more welcome on Okinawa if they raped
Japanese women less often.

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people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia
(Email: , but first subtract 275 and reverse
the last two letters).