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TSA rule, what does this mean?
On Apr 17, 10:48 am, wrote:
On Apr 17, 10:02 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: On Apr 17, 9:45 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: On Apr 17, 8:58 am, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: Robert M. Gary wrote: As a TSA approved foreign flight training provider, I received the follow from the TSA today... "Who must participate in the Alien Flight Student Program (AFSP)? Persons seeking flight training must submit a request if they are not citizens or nationals of the U.S. and: ---They wish to receive flight training in the U.S. or its territories, regardless of whether training will lead to an FAA certificate or type rating; and/or ---They wish to receive flight training from an FAA-certificated facility, provider, or instructor that could lead to an FAA rating whether in the U.S. or abroad." The updated text can be viewed at the Provider Frequently Asked Questions page atwww.flightschoolcandidates.gov/provider_faq.htm. If you need further assistance, please contact or call (571) 227-4544." Anyone understand what this means? The second part sounds like what we've always believed. However, what does the first part mean? Does it imply that someone receiving training from a non-CFI must be TSA approved even if they are not seeking a rating?? Why is it both "and" and "or"? I guess I'm having trouble with the intent. -Robert The "and/or" is ass covering. The "regardless" part first covers somebody coming to you for say a BFR or aerobatics, neither will lead to an FAA certificate or type rating.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But if their intention is to require TSA approval for everything (which is not the current understanding), why have the second part as well? -Robert You are trying to apply logic to the writings of government. Shame on you. But let's say you are a US certified CFI. The second graph says you can't go to Iran and teach people to fly unless they are OK'd by the TSA even if the Iranian government pays you to.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If that is true, its a very major change in understanding. The current understanding is that only certain ratings require TSA approval. Other things (tailwheel endorsements, BFR, etc) do not require TSA approval. The first part seems to change this and say any U.S. based CFI cannot provide **ANY** training (recurrent or otherwise) to a non-TSA approved student. This is a major change. Now I need to see your passport in order to do an FBO check out (training not leading to a rating). No, the first part only says a US based CFI can't provide any training while inside the US. First paragraph - no training of any kind inside the US or its territories. RIght, so when you show up for your FBO checkout or BFR you must bring your passport to prove that you do not need TSA approval. Now pilots need to bring their passport before flying with any CFI for any reason. -robert |
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TSA rule, what does this mean?
Is everyone saying the rule has changed?
Getting a Flight Review or an FBO checkout is not "training", nor is adding a tailwheel endorsement or high performance endorsement to an existing rating. This has been answered in previous information from TSA. Time for more research? BT "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... As a TSA approved foreign flight training provider, I received the follow from the TSA today... "Who must participate in the Alien Flight Student Program (AFSP)? Persons seeking flight training must submit a request if they are not citizens or nationals of the U.S. and: ---They wish to receive flight training in the U.S. or its territories, regardless of whether training will lead to an FAA certificate or type rating; and/or ---They wish to receive flight training from an FAA-certificated facility, provider, or instructor that could lead to an FAA rating whether in the U.S. or abroad." The updated text can be viewed at the Provider Frequently Asked Questions page at www.flightschoolcandidates.gov/provider_faq.htm. If you need further assistance, please contact or call (571) 227-4544." Anyone understand what this means? The second part sounds like what we've always believed. However, what does the first part mean? Does it imply that someone receiving training from a non-CFI must be TSA approved even if they are not seeking a rating?? Why is it both "and" and "or"? I guess I'm having trouble with the intent. -Robert |
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TSA rule, what does this mean?
Read the attached pdf file in the previous the link in the original posting
Flight training does not include "recurrent training" (Flight Reviews), proficiency training (IFR Proficiency Check), etc for those that already hold a US rating Reading the entire attached file http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/IFR_Alien_Pilot.pdf from the Federal Register tells me that nothing has changed from the original posting on Sept 20, 2004 BT "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... As a TSA approved foreign flight training provider, I received the follow from the TSA today... "Who must participate in the Alien Flight Student Program (AFSP)? Persons seeking flight training must submit a request if they are not citizens or nationals of the U.S. and: ---They wish to receive flight training in the U.S. or its territories, regardless of whether training will lead to an FAA certificate or type rating; and/or ---They wish to receive flight training from an FAA-certificated facility, provider, or instructor that could lead to an FAA rating whether in the U.S. or abroad." The updated text can be viewed at the Provider Frequently Asked Questions page at www.flightschoolcandidates.gov/provider_faq.htm. If you need further assistance, please contact or call (571) 227-4544." Anyone understand what this means? The second part sounds like what we've always believed. However, what does the first part mean? Does it imply that someone receiving training from a non-CFI must be TSA approved even if they are not seeking a rating?? Why is it both "and" and "or"? I guess I'm having trouble with the intent. -Robert |
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TSA rule, what does this mean?
On Apr 17, 3:32 pm, "BT" wrote:
Is everyone saying the rule has changed? Getting a Flight Review or an FBO checkout is not "training", nor is adding a tailwheel endorsement or high performance endorsement to an existing rating. This has been answered in previous information from TSA. Time for more research? In one case they say "receive flight training in the U.S. or its territories, regardless of whether training will lead to an FAA certificate or type rating", sounds like a larger scope of "training". Let us know what your research shows though. -Robert |
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TSA rule, what does this mean?
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... : Jose wrote: : But let's say you are a US certified CFI. The second graph says you : can't go to Iran and teach people to fly unless they are OK'd by the : TSA even if the Iranian government pays you to. : : What if you are not a CFI? Can you do it then? : : Jose : : Sure, well at least the FAA wouldn't care. DHS might. : : Here's the latest...Only TSA approved folks can use MS Flight Sim... ;-) |
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TSA rule, what does this mean?
Read the attached pdf file in the previous the link in the original posting
Flight training does not include "recurrent training" (Flight Reviews), proficiency training (IFR Proficiency Check), etc for those that already hold a US rating Reading the entire attached file http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/IFR_Alien_Pilot.pdf from the Federal Register tells me that nothing has changed from the original posting on Sept 20, 2004 BT "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message ups.com... On Apr 17, 3:32 pm, "BT" wrote: Is everyone saying the rule has changed? Getting a Flight Review or an FBO checkout is not "training", nor is adding a tailwheel endorsement or high performance endorsement to an existing rating. This has been answered in previous information from TSA. Time for more research? In one case they say "receive flight training in the U.S. or its territories, regardless of whether training will lead to an FAA certificate or type rating", sounds like a larger scope of "training". Let us know what your research shows though. -Robert |
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TSA rule, what does this mean?
Here's the latest...Only TSA approved folks can use MS Flight Sim...
;-) Yeah, I see the smiley, but I'm not convinced it won't come to that. Amazing it's still legal to teach chemistry. Jose -- Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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TSA rule, what does this mean?
Jose writes:
Amazing it's still legal to teach chemistry. You don't see too many chemistry sets, though. They used to be popular; now they are just a source of litigation. The few that exist have such a small selection of harmless chemicals that they aren't worth the time. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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TSA rule, what does this mean?
On Apr 17, 7:06 pm, "BT" wrote:
Read the attached pdf file in the previous the link in the original posting Flight training does not include "recurrent training" (Flight Reviews), proficiency training (IFR Proficiency Check), etc for those that already hold a US rating Reading the entire attached filehttp://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/IFR_Alien_Pilot.pdffrom the Federal Register tells me that nothing has changed from the original posting on Sept 20, 2004 BT "Robert M. Gary" wrote in oglegroups.com... On Apr 17, 3:32 pm, "BT" wrote: Is everyone saying the rule has changed? Getting a Flight Review or an FBO checkout is not "training", nor is adding a tailwheel endorsement or high performance endorsement to an existing rating. This has been answered in previous information from TSA. Time for more research? In one case they say "receive flight training in the U.S. or its territories, regardless of whether training will lead to an FAA certificate or type rating", sounds like a larger scope of "training". Let us know what your research shows though. -Robert- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What do you think the "flight training not "lead(ing) to an FAA certificate or type rating" refers to? -Robert |
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TSA rule, what does this mean?
Mxsmanic wrote in
: Jose writes: Amazing it's still legal to teach chemistry. You don't see too many chemistry sets, though. They used to be popular; now they are just a source of litigation. The few that exist have such a small selection of harmless chemicals that they aren't worth the time. What, can't get anyhting decent into your shoes, eh? Bertie |
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