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What are the advantages of vfr-on-top in the real world? I understand the
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Myname wrote:
What are the advantages of vfr-on-top in the real world? I understand the ifr to vfr-on-top then cancel, but what about other uses? Well, what are the advantages of IFR to VFR-on-top then cancel? |
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On Feb 15, 4:11*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: Myname wrote: What are the advantages of vfr-on-top in the real world? I understand the ifr to vfr-on-top then cancel, but what about other uses? Well, what are the advantages of *IFR to VFR-on-top then cancel? To legally punch a cloud deck. I have done this several times on a 50NM trip where it was VFR at my destination. It's easier to cancel in the air with KJAN once I am 1000 foot above the cloud deck then to have to call FSS to cancel my IFR. I would only be with Memphis center a mere 3 to 5 minutes before initiating a descent below radar coverage so I can't cancel with them on the ground. |
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On Feb 15, 11:03*am, " wrote:
On Feb 15, 4:11*am, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: Myname wrote: What are the advantages of vfr-on-top in the real world? I understand the ifr to vfr-on-top then cancel, but what about other uses? Well, what are the advantages of *IFR to VFR-on-top then cancel? To legally punch a cloud deck. I have done this several times on a 50NM trip where it was VFR at my destination. It's easier to cancel in the air with KJAN once I am 1000 foot above the cloud deck then to have to call FSS to cancel my IFR. I would only be with Memphis center a mere 3 to 5 minutes before initiating a descent below radar coverage so I can't cancel with them on the ground. That's not "IFR to VFR-on-top then cancel", that's IFR to punch through a cloud deck then cancel upon reaching VFR conditions. You're not VFR-on-top until you've been cleared to maintain VFR-on-top and you can't be cleared to maintain VFR-on-top until you've reported reaching VFR-on-top. |
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On Feb 20, 10:43*am, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: That's not "IFR to VFR-on-top then cancel", t Your terminology flat out wrong...... Based on the question you asked, my scenario answered your question. You said VFR ON TOP. You can't be VFR on top WITHOUT an IFR clearance. VFR on TOP is IFR. Once you cancel IFR, you no longer are VFR on top. So what you say above is absolutely an impossible scenario. There is specific terminology for VFR traffic that you are not picking up on and that is VFR OVER the top. That is build in for VFR. VFR rules require contact with the ground OR maintain 1000 feet above the cloud deck and fly VFR OVER the top with your departure and destination being VFR for the flight to be legal. And even then you don't report to ATC that you are VFR over the top, it's just simple flight following. In my answer to you, , I file IFR, fly through the cloud, get VFR on top and cancel IFR. Once I cancel IFR, I have the option of electing flight following and maintaining VFR OVER the top. In this case, you could drop me for workload consideration. You can't drop me if I am VFR ON TOP as I am IFR until I cancel. |
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On Feb 21, 7:17*am, " wrote:
On Feb 20, 10:43*am, "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: That's not "IFR to VFR-on-top then cancel", t Your terminology flat out wrong...... *Based on the question you asked, my scenario answered your question. *You said VFR ON TOP. "IFR to VFR-on-top then cancel" is not my terminology, it's the OP's, Myname. Your response did not answer the question I directed to him. You can't be VFR on top WITHOUT an *IFR clearance. *VFR on TOP is IFR.. Correct. Once you cancel IFR, you no longer are VFR on top. * So what you say above is absolutely an impossible scenario. And that's why I asked the question. There is specific terminology for VFR traffic that you are not picking up on and that is VFR OVER the top. We're not talking about that. That is build in for VFR. *VFR rules require contact with the ground OR maintain 1000 feet above the cloud deck and fly VFR OVER the top with your departure and destination being VFR for the flight to be legal. And even then you don't report to ATC that you are VFR over the top, it's just simple flight following. Flight following is not a requirement of VFR over-the-top operations. In my answer to you, , I file IFR, fly through the cloud, get VFR on top and cancel IFR. *Once I cancel IFR, I have the option of electing flight following and maintaining VFR OVER the top. *In this case, you could drop me for workload consideration. But why request VFR-on-top if all you want to do is punch a cloud deck and cancel upon reaching VFR conditions? Why ask for something you don't intend to use? You can't drop me if I am VFR ON TOP as I am IFR until I cancel. Correct. |
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Myname writes:
What are the advantages of vfr-on-top in the real world? I understand the ifr to vfr-on-top then cancel, but what about other uses? The main advantage is that it allows a pilot to choose his altitude at his discretion, within broad limits, rather than request approval for every change of altitude from ATC. |
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