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Unusual attitude recovery advice sought
Hi Barney - not :-) - Rubble.
On Apr 3, 9:00 am, "Barney Rubble" wrote: That's the best advice. I once got into the start of a graveyard spiral on a VERY turbulent day when I took my eye off the ball for a split second to tune the radio. When i glanced back I noticed the plane was 90 degrees off heading and the VSI was pegged downwards. It happened in less than 2 seconds, I kid you not. Instinct took over and I levelled the wings and got the altitude back on track before the controller even noticed. Boy did I get the cold chills. I was single pilot in heavy IMC with the rian beating on the windshield, moderate turb PIREPS all around and minimums below. Not a goot time to let things slide. I was back on alt and heading before the controller even noticed.... I'm pleased I practiced UA and smooth control of the plane. - Barney That's damn interesting. Consider a vortex, we see them as tornadoes when they actually mature and touch down to the ground. But suppose only 1 in a hundred, actually become mature tornadoes and the rest exist in bad weather, inside clouds that Barney may have encountered. There is a lot of different kinds of turbulence, that could appear in seconds as one flys into a vortex. I've seen plenty of photo's of little titties on the bottom of storm clouds, (I think they are usually Nimbo Stratus, but not always), that dissipated. That gives me an idea for a new instrument, something like a "stall buzzer". If a delta attitude occurs, that is NOT a result of an control input, then that would warn of either a weather or structural anomally. Fortunately for Barney it was a weather anomally. Don't quite know how to build it yet but that's just application of ingenuity. Regards Ken S. Tucker |
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"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
: Hi Barney - not :-) - Rubble. On Apr 3, 9:00 am, "Barney Rubble" wrote: That's the best advice. I once got into the start of a graveyard spiral on a VERY turbulent day when I took my eye off the ball for a split second to tune the radio. When i glanced back I noticed the plane was 90 degrees off heading and the VSI was pegged downwards. It happened in less than 2 seconds, I kid you not. Instinct took over and I levelled the wings and got the altitude back on track before the controller even noticed. Boy did I get the cold chills. I was single pilot in heavy IMC with the rian beating on the windshield, moderate turb PIREPS all around and minimums below. Not a goot time to let things slide. I was back on alt and heading before the controller even noticed.... I'm pleased I practiced UA and smooth control of the plane. - Barney That's damn interesting. Consider a vortex, we see them as tornadoes when they actually mature and touch down to the ground. But suppose only 1 in a hundred, actually become mature tornadoes and the rest exist in bad weather, inside clouds that Barney may have encountered. There is a lot of different kinds of turbulence, that could appear in seconds as one flys into a vortex. I've seen plenty of photo's of little titties on the bottom of storm clouds, (I think they are usually Nimbo Stratus, but not always), that dissipated. That gives me an idea for a new instrument, something like a "stall buzzer". If a delta attitude occurs, that is NOT a result of an control input, then that would warn of either a weather or structural anomally. Fortunately for Barney it was a weather anomally. Don't quite know how to build it yet but that's just application of ingenuity. Regards Ken S. Tucker Good lord, is there nothing you know something about~? Bertie |
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Unusual attitude recovery advice sought
On Apr 3, 1:00 pm, "Barney Rubble" wrote:
That's the best advice. I once got into the start of a graveyard spiral on a VERY turbulent day when I took my eye off the ball for a split second to tune the radio. When i glanced back I noticed the plane was 90 degrees off heading and the VSI was pegged downwards. It happened in less than 2 seconds, I kid you not. Instinct took over and I levelled the wings and got the altitude back on track before the controller even noticed. Boy did I get the cold chills. I was single pilot in heavy IMC with the rian beating on the windshield, moderate turb PIREPS all around and minimums below. Not a goot time to let things slide. I was back on alt and heading before the controller even noticed.... I'm pleased I practiced UA and smooth control of the plane. - Barney Though I have a reputation as a Luddite, I will chime in that an autopilot is the best friend a Single Pilot flying IFR can possess. Even if you hand fly most of the time, it helps plenty to hand over the straight and level chore for a moment to fetch a chart or write down a frequency (which hardly ever matches what you're expecting based on the charts). Dan Mc |
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Unusual attitude recovery advice sought
"Eamon McKinley" wrote in message ... On the ground we discussed the situation and my CFII told me that he likes to be aggressive with the unusual attitudes in order that I can handle the worst cases. He also said the CE he uses likes to do the same. Rather than cancel the checkride, his recommendation was that one of us briefs the DE that I have low negative G tolerance. I don't know how I feel about this, it seems like a cop-out to be quite honest. Boy, that could be trouble if the DE decides that he's going to test your tolerance in light of that. My chief instructor for instrument and commercial made a point to do unusual attitude recovery every time we turned home from dual instruction. For some people it comes instinctively, but for me I might have lucked out with a couple of instructors who loved to do them. If partial G forces trouble you then it might be worth doing them several times with your eyes open so you can physiologically condition yourself so that it's easier to prepare pyschologically. -c |
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Unusual attitude recovery advice sought
"Eamon McKinley" wrote in message
Thoughts & advice would be very much appreciated. The goal is to put you in an unusual attitude, not introduce you to aerobatics. I've not had a DE use strong inputs to disorient me during a checkride and, as others have mentioned, putting you in an unusual attitude can be done in a disorienting way without un/loading the airplane much at all. There was one time I got in a slightly unusual attitude between layers. It was a combination of sloping clouds and my reading notes on my lap for a few seconds that did it for me. While the attitude was not serious (only about a 15 degree bank and maybe 8 degrees nose up), it was not "usual" for that phase of flight - and I didn't feel the slightest G load getting there. One instructor I used had me close my eyes, look at my lap, then asked me to turn, climb, level, turn, level, descend, level, open eyes - and whaddaya know, I was most assuredly not in level flight. Considering how I got myself into the attitude I described above, maybe this instructor's technique has some merit. -- John T http://sage1solutions.com/blogs/TknoFlyer http://sage1solutions.com/products NEW! FlyteBalance v2.0 (W&B); FlyteLog v2.0 (Logbook) ____________________ |
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"Eamon McKinley" wrote in message
... Hello everyone, I'm about a week away from taking my instrument checkride, but I'm lacking in one area I thought would be a breeze. ... So, d00d, how did it go? -- Geoff The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate. |
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