passengers consuming alcohol on a part 91 flight

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Actually, it is the duty of the pilot to see that his passengers do not
become intoxicated during the flight. If they do, then you have already
violated the regulations.

Which ones?

91.17

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Actually, it is the duty of the pilot to see that his passengers do
not
become intoxicated during the flight. If they do, then you have
already
violated the regulations.

Which ones?

91.17

I know several people that won't fly if they're NOT intoxicated (my
mother-in-law).

My boss's idea of "on board refreshments" is a six pack of Diet RC. Mine,
too.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Ejecting someone in mid-air would violate the regulations unless the pilot
has first determined that there will be no damage to persons or property
below.

Not if the PIC declares an emergency. Then he can dispense
with the FARs, and, it would seem, the drunks too.

C J Campbell wrote:

Ejecting someone in mid-air would violate the regulations unless the pilot
has first determined that there will be no damage to persons or property
below.

If you eject someone, they will rapidly become a "person below", so I think it fairly
obvious that there will be such damage.

George Patterson
None of us is as dumb as all of us.

(Dave) wrote in message . com...
I'm unable to find the regulation I was told about where passengers
may *not* consume alcohol in an airplane flying under part 91. Can
someone help?
Dave
I never heard of any such regulation for passengers. If that were
true, nearly every corporate flight in the world would be in
violation! It was always left to me as PIC in company aircraft about
when the bar was open or closed and particularly if a pax got out of
line or belligerent. That only happened a couple of times. One time
that was interesting on a charter flight out of BUR when the pax lit
their joints on the way to LAS at night..... I was single pilot in a
Navajo Chieftan with 7 pax.
Ol Shy & Bashful

C J Campbell wrote:
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Actually, it is the duty of the pilot to see that his passengers do not
become intoxicated during the flight. If they do, then you have already
violated the regulations.

Which ones?


91.17


91.17 "No pilot ... may allow a person who appears to be intoxicated...
to be carried in the aircraft." I suppose it is ok if the intoxicated
person is sober enough to crawl in the aircraft. :-)

What if they ask you to prove you were not acting as PIC? how would you
prove that you were not PIC if you had a set of controls in front of you?




"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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I'd be really heasitant to be a passenger on part 91 if I had a drink,
unless I
did NOT have a pilot certificate.

Are you also afraid that, should your medical lapse or be invalid (taking
OTC cold medicine, for example), the FAA would come after you if you were
a
passenger in an aircraft in which there had been an accident?

Maybe you are. I personally would have no worries. If I'm intoxicated, I
clearly don't meet the requirements for acting as PIC. How could the FAA
possibly accuse me of being at fault in an accident during which I was not
manipulating the controls, and during which I was ineligible to act as
PIC?

Even the popular urban legends of higher-rated pilots being held
responsible
for accidents caused by a lower-rated acting PIC are overblown. I've
never
heard of a situation in which a higher-rated pilot that wasn't legal to
act
as PIC was held responsible.

Pete

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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What if they ask you to prove you were not acting as PIC? how would you
prove that you were not PIC if you had a set of controls in front of you?

It is their burden to prove that you WERE acting as PIC. That would be
pretty difficult for them if you've got another pilot who was in the
airplane at the controls claiming that they were acting as PIC, especially
if that pilot was qualified to act as PIC while you were not.

Pete

"m pautz" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote:
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Actually, it is the duty of the pilot to see that his passengers do not
become intoxicated during the flight. If they do, then you have already
violated the regulations.

Which ones?


91.17


91.17 "No pilot ... may allow a person who appears to be intoxicated...
to be carried in the aircraft." I suppose it is ok if the intoxicated
person is sober enough to crawl in the aircraft. :-)

And the point (I think) was SERVING alcohol, and the regulation infers
allowing a passenger to board when already intoxicated.

Tom Sixkiller wrote:
"m pautz" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote:

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Actually, it is the duty of the pilot to see that his passengers do not
become intoxicated during the flight. If they do, then you have already
violated the regulations.

Which ones?


91.17



91.17 "No pilot ... may allow a person who appears to be intoxicated...
to be carried in the aircraft." I suppose it is ok if the intoxicated
person is sober enough to crawl in the aircraft. :-)


And the point (I think) was SERVING alcohol, and the regulation infers
allowing a passenger to board when already intoxicated.



My post was tongue-in-cheek. Since the the FARs don't have a definition
for "carried" in section 1.1, 91.17 is, tongue-in-cheek, vague and
could be interpretted to mean hand-carried in(to) the airplane.

I waited until all of the serious posts were complete before diverting
the topic with my meaningless post.

As has already been pointed out, there are no regs against serving
alcohol. 91.17 means "'transported' in an aircraft", not "carried
into". As CJ pointed out, this means that a pilot cannot allow a
passenger to start out intoxicated or become intoxicated while being
carried in that plane.