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Corky,
Liars? Well, I'll reserve judgment. A little weak in the details and presentation? Absolutely. I have pretty intimate knowledge of the LS1 and LS6. So let's just start looking at their information, shall we? Can you show me what their rated, maximum hp for their CONVERSION is? How about the CONTINUOUS rated hp for their CONVERSION? I can't find it. They list a maximum hp rating of 350 for the LS1, which isn't their rating it's GM's rating. And that's not a continuous rating. But we'll just let that slide for a moment, let's get to fuel consumption. They show a BSFC of .454 or .507 at 3200 rpm. Interesting, not, that they don't show a MAP they got that at, since that with RPM would tell us what HP the engine was making? Never mind that, let's go back to GM. At 3200 rpm GM showed the LS1 making 200 hp. That means that at 200 hp, the engine is burning between 10 and 11 gph. WoW!! All those electronic bells and whistles sure did improve efficiency over the old dinosaurs, didn't it? Speaking of which.............. They really don't say much about those bells and whistles, do they?? All they say is that the engine uses "multi-port injection" and "computerized electronic 8 coils" ignition. Curious, that's what GM uses on them. Except to make them really run right, in cruise, they have to operate in closed loop mode. To do that, they need a lead free fuel. 100LL will make the O2 sensors last about, oh, 3-4 hours, if you're lucky. What happens if the O2 sensor fails? The ECM goes into open loop mode and you get BSFC of around ..500 or so. But speaking of fuel................. Yep, it's getting less rare to have auto fuel on the airport, but I still wouldn't say that's a common thing to have, would you? And even if it was, 91 octane? Some places, premium IS 91 octane. KS, it's not. 99% of the premium grade is 89 octane and that's with 10% ethanol. So, you land, have to hunt down auto gas, and then have to hunt down 91 octane auto gas, get it back to the airport to fuel up. Yep, that's going to be cost and time effective. NOT. Oh, the LS1/LS6 will run on 89 octane, by having the ECM pull the timing back which gives you less power and a higher BSFC....... Somewhere it was said they have 600 hours on this conversion and yet from their site "I have approximately 56 hours on the finished product, including a very enjoyable trip to Airventure 2000." Not a long term study. As far as price goes, the best price I've found on an LS6 is about $8,500, with shipping. They're really not a very good engine to rebuild due to their method of construction, but if you want to you probably can, for around $7,500. Of course there's that gear reduction and the normal aircraft accessories that need to be overhauled as well. He lists the overhaul cost of the LS6 at $13,000 CDN, that's about $9,875 on today's market US$. He is NOT going to overhaul the conversion package of an LS6 for $10K. Not going to happen. I found this web site to be interesting. The guy looks like he did a good job on the conversion for his purposes. I also can't see one item on it that makes any better than the Franklin. He has the overhaul cost at $40,000. For a Franklin? Lot's of guys were working on the Franklin's in Cozy's because they were 3-4 thousand CHEAPER than a 360 Lycoming. I'm elbow deep into a Northstar right now for a completely (ground-based) different purpose. The electronics and systems on this are daunting with untold failure modes. If these folks want to be pioneers, good on them. I'll pioneer my system on the ground, thanks anyway. John Stricker PS: How many hours of vibration analysis on that prop/PSRU system do you suppose they had before they took the old girl for a spin? "Corky Scott" wrote in message ... That's the correct definition of anectdotal BOb, it would appear to be a mistaken application though. These guys aren't casually observing their conversion, they created it, developed it, trouble shot it and flew it with their own bodies inside the airplane on which they installed it. And they flew it for 600 hours so far. It looks like they were as scientific about it as they could be, with direct comparisons, in all modes, to the Franklin powered model. I don't understand why you consider them liars. Do you have evidence that the photos and text is faked? It obviously really irks you when someone actually successfully flies behind an auto conversion, almost as much as when someone just talks naively about it. Corky Scott |
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