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The discussion on simulators was interesting in many aspects. Since being
grounded some 20 years ago (medical), I've tried substitutes - radio control and computer simulators - and found them sorely lacking, if not downright boring. However, while playing with the simulator, I could not help but grieve that it was not available back in the days when I was burning time and fuel in IFR training - basically learning to scan the instruments until it became virtually instinctive. So, while I get a little peeved when a computer jock starts arguing with active pilots, their questions sometimes elicit interesting discussions, and I do think these $75.00 programs have a valuable (and cheap) place in flight training. While ground-bound for two decades, I still love any discussion of flying! |
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"Birdog" wrote: The discussion on simulators was interesting in many aspects. Since being grounded some 20 years ago (medical), I've tried substitutes - radio control and computer simulators - and found them sorely lacking, if not downright boring. However, while playing with the simulator, I could not help but grieve that it was not available back in the days when I was burning time and fuel in IFR training - basically learning to scan the instruments until it became virtually instinctive. So, while I get a little peeved when a computer jock starts arguing with active pilots, their questions sometimes elicit interesting discussions, and I do think these $75.00 programs have a valuable (and cheap) place in flight training. While ground-bound for two decades, I still love any discussion of flying! I tend to agree with the above. Simulators are what got me into flying for real, even if they taught me some habits to unlearn. And clearly they're useful for certain things, even if they're not the high-fidelity monsters our friend thinks they are. I apologize if the question is unwelcome, but if your medical grounding was due to something that didn't really make you unsafe, have you considered flying gliders? They're a lot of fun, and no medical is required. Of course some people don't enjoy that sort of thing, and nothing against them, as everybody has different tastes. But I just thought I'd mention in, on the off chance that you'd like it, hadn't thought of it, and are able. -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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Low cost sims would be a lot more useful if they came with a
instructor and a curriculum. Let me justify that. With many home sim programs, A lot of people learn to land right on the edge of Dead Man's Curve, without some instruction or evaluation. Ie a controlled crash at very low speed with no flare. If its a game, thats fine, and you can get the 172 onto the carrier that way. But it may be doing many a disservice. It would be nice, if included in the cost of the software, you could upload a file to have your flight constructively evaluated by a human Steve Roberts |
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Birdog writes:
The discussion on simulators was interesting in many aspects. Since being grounded some 20 years ago (medical), I've tried substitutes - radio control and computer simulators - and found them sorely lacking, if not downright boring. How far have you gone with simulation, and what type of flying did you do before you were grounded? There's a very wide range between the simplest flight simulation (which would probably be Google Earth or the Easter egg inside, I think, Excel), and the best certified, full-motion simulators used for loggable training and practice. It depends mainly on how much money you want to put into it. The more you spend, the greater the realism. The degree to which you can gain satisfaction from simulation depends also on what part of flying you like best. If physical sensations are the best part for you, it's going to be hard to get that from simulation. If procedures are the part you like, you can simulate that pretty effectively. What medical condition grounded you? Also, do you ever fly with someone else as PIC? However, while playing with the simulator, I could not help but grieve that it was not available back in the days when I was burning time and fuel in IFR training - basically learning to scan the instruments until it became virtually instinctive. So, while I get a little peeved when a computer jock starts arguing with active pilots, their questions sometimes elicit interesting discussions, and I do think these $75.00 programs have a valuable (and cheap) place in flight training. Would you expect a computer jock to get peeved when pilots start talking about computers? |
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Mike Ash writes:
... have you considered flying gliders? They're a lot of fun, and no medical is required. Really? (I've never looked.) That seems odd ... isn't an incapacitated pilot in a glider in just as much danger as he would be in a powered aircraft? And can't he still hit things and injure people and property on the ground? I thought that was the whole idea behind requiring medicals. Of course some people don't enjoy that sort of thing, and nothing against them, as everybody has different tastes. What do you think of glider simulations in MSFS? I've heard that there are some add-on gliders for MSFS that are greatly superior to the default (as there are for powered aircraft), but I haven't looked into it as I've not felt very attracted to gliding. Gliding seems to be mostly a visceral and visual experience, both of which are weak points of desktop simulators. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Mike Ash writes: ... have you considered flying gliders? They're a lot of fun, and no medical is required. Really? (I've never looked.) That seems odd ... isn't an incapacitated pilot in a glider in just as much danger as he would be in a powered aircraft? And can't he still hit things and injure people and property on the ground? I thought that was the whole idea behind requiring medicals. Of course some people don't enjoy that sort of thing, and nothing against them, as everybody has different tastes. What do you think of glider simulations in MSFS? I've heard that there are some add-on gliders for MSFS that are greatly superior to the default (as there are for powered aircraft), but I haven't looked into it as I've not felt very attracted to gliding. Gliding seems to be mostly a visceral and visual experience, both of which are weak points of desktop simulators. Everything seems odd to you, you have never experienced any facet of real life. Get out of your cave. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Would you expect a computer jock to get peeved when pilots start talking about computers? Yeah, so STFU. |
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"Mike Ash" wrote in message ... In article , "Birdog" wrote: The discussion on simulators was interesting in many aspects. Since being grounded some 20 years ago (medical), I've tried substitutes - radio control and computer simulators - and found them sorely lacking, if not downright boring. However, while playing with the simulator, I could not help but grieve that it was not available back in the days when I was burning time and fuel in IFR training - basically learning to scan the instruments until it became virtually instinctive. So, while I get a little peeved when a computer jock starts arguing with active pilots, their questions sometimes elicit interesting discussions, and I do think these $75.00 programs have a valuable (and cheap) place in flight training. While ground-bound for two decades, I still love any discussion of flying! I tend to agree with the above. Simulators are what got me into flying for real, even if they taught me some habits to unlearn. And clearly they're useful for certain things, even if they're not the high-fidelity monsters our friend thinks they are. I apologize if the question is unwelcome, but if your medical grounding was due to something that didn't really make you unsafe, have you considered flying gliders? They're a lot of fun, and no medical is required. Of course some people don't enjoy that sort of thing, and nothing against them, as everybody has different tastes. But I just thought I'd mention in, on the off chance that you'd like it, hadn't thought of it, and are able. Diabetes got me. I have flown in gliders (once - not PIC). I dunno - you can't really go anywhere in a glider, and somehow the thrust, the engine noise and vibration were a part of the mystique. Just didn't pull my chain. Academic now anyhow - I'm 82 years old. |
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