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Markus Voget wrote:
"nrp" wrote: There was a writeup a few weeks ago on the retired South African Airways 747 that was flown to its museum airfield & landed on a 50' wide asphalt strip, down and stopped in 2300 ft. There was about 3 ft edge distance for the 747 gear. It was an incredible piece of airmanship. Indeed! http://www.skypark.org/747Landing.htm Too cool! Matt |
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Ben Jackson wrote:
On 2005-05-11, Kyle Boatright wrote: What's the narrowest runway you've ever used? At what runway width are you comfortable? The narrowest was at Woodland State (W27) which is 1965x25, in a 172 when I had about 14 hours. I must be comfortable with 2500x48 since that's where my plane is based. It still freaks me out to land at night (the lights are significantly wider, maybe 80-100' apart). It makes the runway look short and stubby. I don't think I've ever used more than the center 20' of the runway except once when a brake grabbed a little and I swerved. Closest I've come to groundlooping a tricycle gear plane! I don't remember which field was narrowest, but I believe it was near Pittsburgh, PA. I'll have to check my log book. I DO remember the shortest I landed at. It is K9B1. It is less than 1700' with obstructions at both ends. Landing the Skylane was no problem, requiring only about 1000' with light braking. However, the sight picture when I turned final was unnerving. The book said I had plenty of space so I trusted the numbers. I learned to fly at a 1900' strip, but that had trees at only one end. Taking off from Marlboro was very interesting. It was a hot summer day (about 90 as I recall), but I was loaded fairly light, just me, one pax and about 4 hours of fuel. I don't recall the exact details now, but I think the book said I needed about 1500' to clear a 50' obstacle. I pulled onto the runway with my tail feathers almost touching the chain link fence at one end, ran up to nearly full RPM and then released the brakes. We cleared the trees by 30-40'. Matt |
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Matt Whiting wrote:
I don't remember which field was narrowest, but I believe it was near Pittsburgh, PA. I'll have to check my log book. I DO remember the shortest I landed at. It is K9B1. It is less than 1700' with obstructions at both ends. Landing the Skylane was no problem, requiring only about 1000' with light braking. However, the sight picture when I turned final was unnerving. The book said I had plenty of space so I trusted the numbers. The pilot I bought my plane from learned at Marlboro (9B1), and he demonstrated the STOL characteristics of my plane by landing and taking off at 9B1. What a blast! Coming in down over those trees on short final is a thrill. Charles. -N8385U |
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 22:38:50 -0400, "Kyle Boatright"
wrote: What's the narrowest runway you've ever used? At what runway width are you comfortable? Among other things, I had an interesting experience yesterday with a runway that was far narrower than any I'd used before... http://www.airnav.com/airport/7D5 Trees at one end, power lines and railroad tracks at the other. Been in and out of this one in a little bit of everything. Scariest one for me was a Malibu Mirage. Easiest was an A-1 Husky (departed off of what passes for a ramp pointing toward the runway) Don't remember what the main gear "track" width is on the Malibu, but there wasn't a lot of room to spare... What's really, really scary is the guy that useta own it based a P-51 and later a BD-10 there. TC |
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20' wide, Kezer airport near Ft. Worth TX in a Piper Warrior
picture on AirNav's site: http://www.airnav.com/airport/61TE On approach, it was as though I was landing on an R/C park's airstrip :-) I had a fair crosswind too, but kept the wheels on the pavement. |
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6B6 in a Beech 18. Quite actually the taxiway is worse due to wing tip
clearance to the parked aircraft. Bush On Tue, 10 May 2005 22:38:50 -0400, "Kyle Boatright" wrote: What's the narrowest runway you've ever used? At what runway width are you comfortable? Among other things, I had an interesting experience yesterday with a runway that was far narrower than any I'd used before... We had gone to Dallas for Mother's day, and returned to Atlanta yesterday in my RV-6, which is set-up for basic VFR. The weather was marginal for most of the way, and we made two unscheduled stops and a couple of 180 degree course reversals to avoid weather that was below my minimums. This turned a 3.5 hour trip into an 8 hour odyssey. Our first 180 turn and unscheduled stop occurred when the ceiling was lower than forecast, below my personal minimums, and dropping along our route of flight. I hit the "nearest" function on the GPS, and retreated to the nearest airfield to give the FSS a call on the cell phone (we were too low for radio communication). As we overflew the airfield, I noticed that all it was was a paved strip and a paved ramp. No buildings nearby. Also, the strip looked fairly narrow, but I went ahead with the landing anyway. On very short final, it became obvious that this strip redefined narrow. Accoring to the AFD, it is 50' wide, but what the AFD didn't say is that 3' tall sagebrush grows right to the edge of the strip, and occasionally cuts into the 50' useful width. Given that 3' sagebrush will hit the RV-6's wingtips, I probably had 10'-12' clear on each side. Catching the sagebrush with a wingtip would have almost certainly caused a groundloop. With this in mind, and concentrating hard enough to cause permanant forehead wrinkles, I managed to keep the airplane centered on landing and rollout, then taxiied (sp?) to the ramp, where I shut down, pulled out the cell phone and got exactly zero signal... (Sometimes you can't win.) So, we fired up again, taxiied out, and I kept the bird out of the weeds on takeoff and off we went. In the 30 minutes our detour consumed, the weather along the route improved meaningfully, and we made another 225 miles before the next unplanned stop. After a 3 hour wait and a couple of visits with the on-field FSS at Greenville, MS, we found a safe path around the line of storms on the Alabama/Mississippi border and came on home. One of the real advantages to a relatively high performance airplane is that if the weather allows, you can get above most of the cumulus and eyeball your way around the convective stuff. I'm not sure we would have gotten around yesterday's weather in a C-172 or Cherokee... |
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I remember that narrow runway at Tew-Mac... but when my CFI took me there he
said it was 21ft... There is also a runway in NW Abilene TX.. that must have been about 30ft wide.. BT "Bob Noel" wrote in message ... In article , "Kyle Boatright" wrote: What's the narrowest runway you've ever used? At what runway width are you comfortable? IIRC Tew-Mac in MA was 26' wide, and it was fine. My CFII was tired of me landing left of centerline at KBED (150' wide) so he took me to Tew-Mac. He proved to me that I can land on the centerline and I proved to him that I can land on the centerline when I want to. :-) -- Bob Noel no one likes an educated mule |
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("Markus Voget" wrote)
[ nrp wrote] There was a writeup a few weeks ago on the retired South African Airways 747 that was flown to its museum airfield & landed on a 50' wide asphalt strip, down and stopped in 2300 ft. There was about 3 ft edge distance for the 747 gear. It was an incredible piece of airmanship. Indeed! http://www.skypark.org/747Landing.htm (Favorite part of the story) "We joined right-hand downwind for 11 and got the gear and flap 30, landing flap out early." Joined? Joined who way out there, the C-5 Galaxy landing in front of them? g Anyone know what size the "pattern" would be for a 747? 2 miles abeam the numbers? 1.5 miles? 3 miles? 4 miles? Montblack |
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Kyle Boatright wrote:
What's the narrowest runway you've ever used? I've flown into a number of grass strips. No runway at all. George Patterson There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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